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    Another patent that Apple may be liable to giving money to its competition for.



    Creative wins patent for MP3 player interface
    Published: August 30, 2005, 7:05 AM PDT
    Last modified: August 30, 2005, 2:21 PM PDT
    By Anne Broache
    Staff Writer, CNET News.com

    update Creative Technology said Tuesday it has been awarded a patent for a user interface found in its portable media players and in competing devices, such as Apple Computer's iPod.

    The digital entertainment company said that on Aug. 9 it received U.S. Patent No. 6,928,433, described as "automatic hierarchical categorization of music by metadata." Creative applied for the patent--which it has dubbed the "Zen Patent," named for its Zen music player--on Jan. 5, 2001.

    But in a conference call with reporters, Craig McHugh, president of Creative Technology subsidiary Creative Labs, declined to specify what precisely will happen next. Litigation and licensing of the patent to other companies are among the "alternatives" that the company is exploring, he said.

    "We're very open to talking to those companies interested in using our user interface and currently using our user interface in their products," McHugh said, declining to comment on whether private discussions are already under way with Apple or other makers of digital music players.

    "We're not focused on a legal issue," McHugh went on. "We're focusing really on the celebration of getting this patent."

    According to a Creative press release, the interface "enables selection of at least one track in a portable media player as a user sequentially navigates through a hierarchy using three or more successive screens on the display of the player." For example, when a person selects the name of an artist, the player then displays a list of albums for that artist. Selecting the album name then brings up a list of the album's tracks.

    Creative first started using the interface in its Nomad Jukebox MP3 player, which began shipping in September 2000, according to the press release. Apple did not announce its iPod until more than a year later.

    McHugh said the company had not yet evaluated "all the other players on the market" to determine whether they incorporate the user interface described in the patent.

    Apple filed for a patent on a "user interface in a multimedia player" in late 2002 but, according to Creative's press release, that application was recently rejected.

    In rejecting the patent, examiners cited a similar claim in a pending application by a Microsoft employee.

    Apple did not respond to requests for comment Tuesday.

    Hoping to cut into Apple's market share, Creative recently released a new version of its Zen player that boasts a color screen and a built-in FM radio player. Further, the Zen player, unlike its iPod rival, can play video.

    Additionally, several months ago Creative dropped prices on its digital music players.

    Creative declined to take questions from reporters until later Tuesday. The company has a press conference scheduled for 2 p.m. EST.
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  • #2
    Two words: prior art.
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    • #3
      Which examples?
      "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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      • #4
        So they are getting a patent for using an interface that has been used on computers for ages?

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        • #5
          According to a Creative press release, the interface "enables selection of at least one track in a portable media player as a user sequentially navigates through a hierarchy using three or more successive screens on the display of the player." For example, when a person selects the name of an artist, the player then displays a list of albums for that artist. Selecting the album name then brings up a list of the album's tracks.


          WTF? How is that patent-able? Dude, that's messed up.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Verto
            So they are getting a patent for using an interface that has been used on computers for ages?
            They got the patent.

            I wasn't aware computers were "portable music playback device".
            "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
              According to a Creative press release, the interface "enables selection of at least one track in a portable media player as a user sequentially navigates through a hierarchy using three or more successive screens on the display of the player." For example, when a person selects the name of an artist, the player then displays a list of albums for that artist. Selecting the album name then brings up a list of the album's tracks.


              WTF? How is that patent-able? Dude, that's messed up.
              It's the same patent process that allowed Apple to patent using an icon to represent a harddrive, dragging and dropping, and sliders, checkboxes, pull-downs, and radio buttons.
              "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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              • #8
                So at what point do we stop the nonsense of how Zens are "clones" of iPods? (Aggie?)

                The fundamental interface mechanism in the iPod seems to be lifted from the Nomads.
                "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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                • #9
                  At least the bull**** is uniform.

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                  • #10
                    Hey, Asher, can I ask you a Creative player question?

                    We have three computers at home. My wife's and daughter's, both running Windows XP, have no problem recognizing a Creative MP3 player as an external drive; but my laptop, running Windows 98, treats it as a piece of hardware and looks (unsuccessfully) for drivers to make it work. Any idea what's up with that?
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                    • #11
                      I think you need some special drivers for Windows 98 USB mass storage. Actually, I don't think Win98 supports that.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Asher
                        I think you need some special drivers for Windows 98 USB mass storage. Actually, I don't think Win98 supports that.
                        That's what I was afraid of. Thanks for the speedy response!
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                        • #13
                          Creative applied for the patent--which it has dubbed the "Zen Patent," named for its Zen music player--on Jan. 5, 2001.
                          Didn't Apple announce the iPod in October 01?

                          edit: Whoops, yeah, helps if I read the whole article

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Asher

                            They got the patent.

                            I wasn't aware computers were "portable music playback device".
                            Not all computers are portable music playback devices, but all portable music playback devices are computers.

                            Say THAT three times in a row.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Verto
                              Not all computers are portable music playback devices, but all portable music playback devices are computers.
                              Yes but that has nothing to do with a patent specifically for portable music playback devices, which are a subset of "computers".
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