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    Canada hints at trade war with U.S.

    REGINA, Canada (AP) -- The Canadian government on Tuesday hinted at an escalating trade war with the United States, with two federal ministers warning of tariffs on American products in retaliation for Washington's policies against Canadian lumber.

    Trade Minister Jim Peterson is identifying areas where Canadian tariffs could put maximum pressure on the U.S. economy with minimal damage domestically, two of his cabinet colleagues told reporters attending a Liberty Party caucus in western Canada.

    Industry Minister David Emerson used a sports analogy to describe the federal government's willingness to retaliate against its NAFTA partner.

    "I have a background from my younger days in hockey. When somebody slammed you into the boards with undue force and aggression, you took their number," Emerson said. "I think we've got to take their number."

    The Bush administration imposed the tariffs in 2002 after accusing Canada of subsidizing its lumber industry. Most U.S. timber is harvested from private land at market prices, while in Canada, the government owns 90 percent of timberlands and charges fees for logging.

    The warning comes one week after the United States announced it would ignore a decision by a NAFTA panel that found Canadian lumber exports did not harm U.S. producers.

    Emerson said Ottawa was trying to "identify a number of products where a tariff on American exports into Canada can be applied without serious damage to the Canadian economy and, hopefully, with maximum impact in the U.S."

    Canada is already seeking WTO authorization for billions of dollars in punitive tariffs against U.S. imports and is going before the U.S. Court of International Trade in New York to force the refund of duties.

    With more that 80 percent of Canadian exports going to the United States and the countries exchanging $1 billion each day, Canada would need to tread carefully to avoid a crippling trade war.

    But the federal government is intent on making its point that U.S. Customs has illegally collected $4.1 billion in tariffs on Canadian softwood since 2002, said Finance Minister Ralph Goodale.

    "We want to make sure that whatever option we pursue is effective in making our point ... without at the same time shooting ourselves in the foot," he said.

    "Canada has wanted to make it very clear that we are not happy with the position of the United States to simply ignore what is a clear NAFTA ruling in Canada's favor," Goodale said.

    One particularly tough measure has already been ruled out: imposing export quotas on Canadian oil going to the United States. Emerson, who initially supported the idea when he was a lumber industry executive, now says it would unfairly saddle the western oil producing province of Alberta with the bulk of the economic fallout.

    "We are stronger as a country when we pull together in a unified way," he said.
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    • #3
      Damn, and here we were trying to keep this contained to a single thread with stealth technolgy (TM).
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        One particularly tough measure has already been ruled out: imposing export quotas on Canadian oil going to the United States. Emerson, who initially supported the idea when he was a lumber industry executive, now says it would unfairly saddle the western oil producing province of Alberta with the bulk of the economic fallout.
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        • #5
          Incidently, Emerson is a wimp!

          Energy exports are the one thing we could effect that would be most effective, and the Yanks would have the least power against.

          Come Dec 15, turn off the gas lines. Turn off the oil. Turn off the power. Shut the NE and parts of the Mid West down.

          Assuming GWB didn't assume that OBL had taken over and invade, it would be very effective. It would also be much of Canada effected (BC, AB, SK, ON, and PQ).
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          • #6
            Or, just embargo all wood products.

            That could be good too. The NY Times would scream bloody murder.
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            • #7
              Incidently, I've been looking for a bank that will allow me to keep funds in Euros. Haven't found one locally. Anyone have any suggestions?
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              • #8
                While the US talks of free trade, it keeps trying to close its own markets by accusing effective competitors of dumping, or subsidizing (this is particularly ironic), or some such. Then it can slap tariffs on them.
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                • #9
                  I don't know...if Chavez actually carries out his threat to cut oil shipments to the United States, Canada putting quotas on its oil shipments suddenly has a lot more bite.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by The Mad Monk
                    I don't know...if Chavez actually carries out his threat to cut oil shipments to the United States, Canada putting quotas on its oil shipments suddenly has a lot more bite.
                    Rumsfeld just said that Ralph Klein is a closet muslim and the CIA just leaked a document that mentions the city of Red Deer as an obvious Communist hotbed.
                    What?

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                    • #11
                      just curious: are those steel tariffs still in place or got they lifted ?
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                      • #12
                        So anyone here cheering patent US hypocrasy when it comes to the rule of tlaw over international free trade?
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                        • #13
                          I suggest we "trade" Canada some nuclear weapons if they try anything.

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                          • #14
                            clearly, Canada needs to join the EU
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                            • #15
                              The USA shouldn't be putting tarriffs on Canadian Lumber, but Canda also shouldn't escalate this into trade war. Trade wars help nobody.
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