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  • New dark age for Iraqi women

    Peter Beaumont, foreign affairs editor
    Sunday August 14, 2005
    The Observer

    Earlier this year I was in Iraq's second city, Basra, lunching with a group of Iraqi women professionals. It was the time of the elections, and the conversation turned to women's rights. Since the fall of Saddam, the women complained, their freedoms had gradually been eroded, not by official diktat but by groups of Shia radicals who had invaded hospitals, universities and schools, insisting that women wore headscarves and behaved as men saw fit.
    It was a story I heard again and again across the once cosmopolitan city from middle-class professional women who told me they intended to vote for the secular list headed by interim Prime Minister Iyad Allawi for fear of what would happen if the 'religious' Shia list swept to a majority.

    It was not to be. Allawi and the largely secular views he represented have lost out to a new sense of religiosity and resurgence of tribal authority that is on the march across Iraq south of Kurdistan.

    Now women from Basra to Kirkuk are facing a renewed assault on their freedoms as Iraq's politicians squabble over a new constitution that will at best fudge women's rights, and at worst hugely undermine them, despite the guarantee of a quota for representation by women in Iraq's new parliament.

    The principal of equality that existed in what was once one of the Middle East's most secular countries, and guaranteed women's rights even in the midst of Saddam's atrocities, is now under threat in the negotiation of the very constitution that many hoped would guarantee equality. Ironically, it is with the tacit agreement of millions of largely poorly educated Iraqi women.

    The major Shia religious parties want to replace the secular civil law that now governs marriage, divorce, child custody and inheritance with Sharia law. A draft of the constitution published earlier this month in the newspaper run by the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq frames sexual equality specifically in terms of 'the provisions of Islamic Sharia' rather than Iraq's civil legal code. Even if, as has been suggested, the new constitution results in a parallel system where women can choose Sharia or the civil code, women's rights activists fear they may be forced by male relatives to choose a system that is not in their interests.

    In a country where the most basic human rights - to life, freedom from intimidation, freedom from torture, a fair judicial process, and freedom of confession - are routinely abused, the issue of women's rights is low on the agenda, except for those who would proscribe them. Whatever happens over the next few days with the finalisation of a draft constitution, any nods it makes towards equality are likely to be vague, and are unlikely to improve the lot of most Iraqi women.
    "If you obey all the rules, you miss all the fun." -Katherine Hepburn

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    "The major Shia religious parties want to replace the secular civil law that now governs marriage, divorce, child custody and inheritance with Sharia law. A draft of the constitution published earlier this month in the newspaper run by the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq frames sexual equality specifically in terms of 'the provisions of Islamic Sharia' rather than Iraq's civil legal code. Even if, as has been suggested, the new constitution results in a parallel system where women can choose Sharia or the civil code, women's rights activists fear they may be forced by male relatives to choose a system that is not in their interests."

    In both Israel and India marriage and divorce for muslim women are controlled by Sharia. Apparently theres a certain amount of diversity among the different schools of Sharia. I would wait and see first, whats actually IN the Iraqi constitution, and how its applied.

    And it may well be that the majority of Iraqis, including the majority of Iraqi women, WANT an arrangement thats something different from what we want.
    "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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    • #3
      praise allah
      To us, it is the BEAST.

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      • #4




        Hamam Hamoudi, the head of Iraq's constitution committee, refuses to discuss the article that worries the Muslim women. He also refused to put in the draft constitution that men and women have equal rights,
        creating a bizarre situation whereby the women had more rights under Saddam Hussein's regime than in post-Saddam Iraq.

        Mr. Hamoudi insists that women will have full economic and political rights, but the overwhelming evidence shows that when Shariah--which gives a husband complete control over his wife--is in place, women have little chance to exercise any political rights. Does Mr. Hamoudi realize that it took the removal of Saddam and the establishment of a multiparty democracy for men to vote, while if his draft constitution is ratified, women will need the permission of their husbands to step out of the house in order to mark their ballot? I thought that President Bush and all the allies who supported the Iraq war aspired to bring democracy and liberty to all Iraqis. Aren't Iraqi girls and women human enough to share in that dream?
        "If you obey all the rules, you miss all the fun." -Katherine Hepburn

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        • #5
          sort of long.. but on the same topic
          in relation to our glorious leader...



          Reformer Without Results
          By MAUREEN DOWD
          Published: August 13, 2005

          President Bush has done so much for women. Not at home, of course.

          Women in jeans in America may have their rights eroded by an administration where faith trumps science, but women in burkas? The president can't talk enough about how important their rights are.

          And in the administration's diplomacy-free foreign policy, five of its top spokesmen on the Muslim world are women: Condi Rice; Laura Bush; Liz Cheney, No. 2 in the Near East bureau of the State Department and head of the Middle East democracy project; Karen Hughes, the new under secretary of state for public diplomacy; and her deputy, Dina Powell.

          W. thinks so highly of Ms. Hughes, his longtime Texas political nanny, spinner, speechwriter and ghostwriter, that he put his Lima Green Bean, as he called her when she prodded him about the environment, in charge of the critical effort to salvage America's horrendous image in the Islamic world - even though what she knows about Islam could fit in a lima green bean. Why get any Muslims involved in reaching out to Muslims? That would be so matchy.

          The real role for the newly minted ambassador hasn't been defined yet, but so far it looks as if Ms. Hughes's first priority will be to take her spinning skills, honed for W. in 2000 and 2004, to improve his image, and his policies' image, on a global scale.

          Just as she retooled Bush as "a reformer with results" and a "compassionate conservative," Ms. Hughes plans to inundate Muslims with the four E's: "engagement, exchanges, education and empowerment."

          On Thursday, when Mr. Bush came out of his Crawford ranch with Ms. Rice - it was odd, if refreshing, to see a secretary of state wearing lilac - he once again justified the war in Iraq by talking about the treatment of women.

          The way to defeat our enemies' "hateful ideology," he said, is to offer an ideology "that says to young girls, you can succeed in your society, and you should have a chance to do so." He also said, "Hopefully, the drafters of the constitution understand our strong belief that women ought to be treated equally in the Iraqi society."

          Hopefully? Is that the best we can do for a country that we broke, own and are sacrificing young men and women every day to keep?

          Americans like it when the president talks up women's rights in Iraq and Afghanistan, so he does it often. It helped him sell the invasions of those two countries. But W. should stop listening to "My Sharona" on his iPod and start listening to their Sharia.

          The fundamentalist Taliban is recrudescing in Afghanistan, young girls in Iraq are afraid to leave their homes because there are so many kidnappings and rapes, and women's groups in Iraq are terrified that the new constitution will cut women's rights to a Saudiesque level.

          Some Shiite politicians are pushing to supplant the civil courts that have long governed marriage, divorce, child custody and inheritance with religious courts that are based on Sharia, or Islamic law. The New York Times reported that one of the crucial articles in various drafts of the constitution is: "The followers of any sect or religion have the right to abide by their religion or sect in their personal affairs, and a law should organize this."

          That little provision could jeopardize any chance for women's equality. Clerics running religious courts based on the Koran could legitimize polygamy, honor killings, stonings and public beheadings of women charged with adultery, and divorce by "talaq" - where all a husband has to do is declare, "I divorce thee," three times.

          Saddam repressed Islamic politics, so under him, Iraq was one of the most secular countries in the Middle East. It has become far more fundamentalist since the U.S. took over.

          The back-to-burka trend has been widely reported throughout Shiite-dominated southern Iraq, and young women activists told The Los Angeles Times that their mothers had more freedom in the 60's.

          Najla Ubeidi, a lawyer in the Iraqi Women's League, agreed: "During the 1960's, there was a real belief in improving women's conditions. We could wear what we liked, go out when we liked, return home when we liked, and people would judge us by the way we behaved."

          If W. liked exercising his mind as much as his body, he could see that his mission to modernize Muslim countries is backfiring on women. The most painless way for Muslim men to prove that they have not abandoned Arab culture and adopted Western ways is to tighten the burka.

          To us, the "liberated" but repressive Iraq is a paradox. To the women, it's a prison.
          "If you obey all the rules, you miss all the fun." -Katherine Hepburn

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          • #6
            "when Shariah--which gives a husband complete control over his wife--is in place, women have little chance to exercise any political rights. Does Mr. Hamoudi realize that it took the removal of Saddam and the establishment of a multiparty democracy for men to vote, while if his draft constitution is ratified, women will need the permission of their husbands to step out of the house in order to mark their ballot?"


            In Israel and India, Sharia is law on marriage and divorce, and muslim men in those countries have no legal right to stop there wives from stepping out of the house, or from exercising political rights.

            And yes, they may not get an equal rights clause. You are aware, theres no equal rights clause in the US constitution. Some of us are old enough to remember the attempt to pass an equal rights amendment. Does that mean US women have less rights than Iraqi women under Saddam?

            as for refusing to discuss the artile, that makes sense, since its under heated negotiation, along with the rest of the Iraqi constitution.
            "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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            • #7
              Sadly, I believe a large number of (Shia) Iraqi women are not interested in equal rights, and are quite happy to live under Sharia law.

              Let's look at the facts. If women were interested in a secular Iraq, then why did so many vote for the Islamic parties? Sunni's wouldn't have voted for Shia religious rule, neither would the Kurds. That's one big number of potential votes dealt with. Demographics would then suggest that if Iraqi Shia women had voted en masse against religious fundamentalists, we would have seen that in the vote. We didn't.

              I just hope that a federal Iraq will be created, as I do believe that the majority of Kurdish and Sunni women don't want to live under Islamic law.
              STDs are like pokemon... you gotta catch them ALL!!!

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              • #8
                "That little provision could jeopardize any chance for women's equality. Clerics running religious courts based on the Koran could legitimize polygamy, honor killings, stonings and public beheadings of women charged with adultery, and divorce by "talaq" - where all a husband has to do is declare, "I divorce thee," three times."

                IF clerical family courts (assuming there even are any, the constitution not being settled yet) went so far beyond the norms of Iraq, they would lead to the defeat of the religious parties, and to their own loss of power. The author has taken the worst that exists anywhere in the muslim world, and assumes that the Shiite clerics of Iraq would do that. Typical Maureen Dowd. I havent read her in a long time.

                As for the 1960s, yeah, Iraq WAS making some progress in the pre-Baathist era. Too bad the Baathists destroyed civil society, and left religion as the only (weak) refuge from their rule. Now that the Baathists are gone, civil society may recover - but religion will be very dominant for awhile. That was inevitable, I think.


                notice that in Dowds entire column, there was only one quote from an Iraqi woman, and it didnt support are scary stories. Most of it was gibberish about green beans and ipods.
                "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by lord of the mark
                  And it may well be that the majority of Iraqis, including the majority of Iraqi women, WANT an arrangement thats something different from what we want.

                  this maybe true and if it is then they should be allowed to govern as they want.

                  but i believe most women there are intimidated and afraid. even so far as to not vote their true feelings for fear of reprisal. it maybe a long time before the women
                  there feel safe enough to voice true opinion.
                  "If you obey all the rules, you miss all the fun." -Katherine Hepburn

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by lord of the mark
                    notice that in Dowds entire column, there was only one quote from an Iraqi woman, and it didnt support are scary stories. Most of it was gibberish about green beans and ipods.

                    well yes there were a few mentions of green beans
                    and ipods... lol
                    but i believe the whole article was directed at blasting Bushes selection of Ms. Hughes.
                    "If you obey all the rules, you miss all the fun." -Katherine Hepburn

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                    • #11
                      There's a boat for Cuba leaving in 30 minutes...

                      (That's what anyone critical to the upcoming Iraq war heard from certain Texas posters whenever the topic was raised 3 years ago)
                      So get your Naomi Klein books and move it or I'll seriously bash your faces in! - Supercitizen to stupid students
                      Be kind to the nerdiest guy in school. He will be your boss when you've grown up!

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                      • #12
                        im i being critical... really... poor texans guess they will get over it.
                        "If you obey all the rules, you miss all the fun." -Katherine Hepburn

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                        • #13
                          You are aware, theres no equal rights clause in the US constitution.


                          14th Amendment, Clause 1:
                          ...nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
                          “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                          - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                          • #14
                            thank you imran
                            "If you obey all the rules, you miss all the fun." -Katherine Hepburn

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by lord of the mark
                              And it may well be that the majority of Iraqis, including the majority of Iraqi women, WANT an arrangement thats something different from what we want.
                              I have heard that people living in the east isn't capable to live in a society such as a democracy because they aren't accustomed to it - in some way it may be possible to argue that Iraqui women can't make sane desicions so there is sense in not letting them have common rights.

                              It is of course a step forward that women now is going to be denied any rights where they before had absolutely no rights except those dictated by saddam.

                              Honestly, I think that no forces should ever be withdrawn as long as there exists laws that legalize female suppression.

                              I don't care if some women chose to wear scarfs etc - it's their choice, but they may never prevent other women to do otherwise.
                              With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                              Steven Weinberg

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