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  • Man Dead in Duel in Kentucky over Iraq

    By E&P Staff

    Published: August 06, 2005 6:30 PM ET

    NEW YORK It was bound to happen sooner or later, and in what newspapers in Kentucky are calling a first, one American has killed another in a dispute over the Iraq war.

    It happened at Floyd County flea market on Thursday, when two friends, who were firearms vendors there, drew guns after quarreling about the war. Douglas Moore, 65, of Martin, who backs the war, shot and killed Harold Wayne Smith, 56, of Manchester, who opposed it, according to investigators.

    Moore was released without being charged after he convinced police he had acted in self-defense. A grand jury may yet hear evidence in the case.

    Commonwealth's Attorney Brent Turner said the episode might mark the first death in the U.S. due to a dispute over the war.

    One witness, Sam Hamman of Prestonsburg, told the Lexington Herald-Leader, "Harold was talking about the 14 people that were killed in Iraq the other day and Doug said that just as many people were killed on the highways here.”

    This quickly escalated into an argument, then to a scuffle, and finally both men drew pistols outside a snack shed. The dead man was apparently just a little slower in firing. Witnesses said he stood for about five seconds before toppling on the walkway.

    In a telephone interview with the Lexington paper yesterday, Moore said police had told him not to discuss his feelings about the Iraq war.

    "I'm sorry this has happened," Moore, a retired railroad worker, said. "But then what's done can't be undone." Moore told the Lexington reporter he thinks Smith and his family knew him well enough "to know what my thoughts are, his family does, because me and Harold was friends. That's all I'll say."

    The daughter of the dead man said the two men were friends and had discussed Iraq before. She said her father "had different opinions than everybody. He felt it was wrong that all of these young people were losing their lives over what was going on. It was just a political disagreement, like a whole lot of people have."
    Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

  • #2
    Frigging hicks...
    Speaking of Erith:

    "It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith

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    • #3
      Sad. And strange, how far some people are willing to take their disagreements. But I don't see how this is more newsworthy than if two people were arguing over parking spaces, or a football game, and one kills the other as a result.

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      • #4
        @Winston : Those examples you give, can't be blamed on Bush - that two guncrazy old men start firing at each other over Iraq, you can.
        With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

        Steven Weinberg

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        • #5
          A-ha!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by BlackCat
            @Winston : Those examples you give, can't be blamed on Bush - that two guncrazy old men start firing at each other over Iraq, you can.
            Can they blame Bush at all for the fact that two older men would even be CARRYING pistols when in a casual conversation with a friend?

            I hate the Canadian gun registry and think many gun control attempts have been misguided . Perhaps nothing could have prevented these two old guys from carrying a pistol. But does anyone doubt that they would both likely be alive right now if neither had a pistol with them
            You don't get to 300 losses without being a pretty exceptional goaltender.-- Ben Kenobi speaking of Roberto Luongo

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            • #7
              Flubber, how can you ask such a silly question ?

              This has nothing to do with the right to carry guns !!! Just ask NRA - if they hadn't been carrying guns the would long ago been shot down by criminals.
              With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

              Steven Weinberg

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              • #8
                They were gun dealers, I find nothing abnormal about them carrying guns.
                "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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                • #9
                  Do you also expect dealers of sextoys to be "carrying" ?
                  With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                  Steven Weinberg

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                  • #10
                    *shrug*

                    I don't own a gun. Never really saw the need.

                    But I do reserve the right to own one, and IF I own one, I acknowledge that it won't do me much good if I can't get to it.

                    It is a freedom I find important, even if I do not actively participate by owning one of the things.

                    Unfortunately, one of the side effects of freedom is the freedom to behave badly WITH it, and sometimes, with fatal consequences.

                    That does not, however, mean that the freedom is a bad thing....it means that two gentlemen weren't terribly bright.

                    -=Vel=-
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by BlackCat
                      Do you also expect dealers of sextoys to be "carrying" ?
                      Only the attractive female ones
                      You don't get to 300 losses without being a pretty exceptional goaltender.-- Ben Kenobi speaking of Roberto Luongo

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Velociryx

                        That does not, however, mean that the freedom is a bad thing....it means that two gentlemen weren't terribly bright.

                        -=Vel=-
                        MY problem is that I can be super bright but if the guy with the gun is stupid and angry, I can still end up dead real quick.

                        I'm not saying that there is a gun control method that actually works . . . I was just making the observation -- one that can be made HUNDREDS of times in the US every year-- that a person would likely be still alive if a gun were not so readily available
                        You don't get to 300 losses without being a pretty exceptional goaltender.-- Ben Kenobi speaking of Roberto Luongo

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                        • #13
                          They would have just used baseball bats
                          "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Provost Harrison
                            Frigging hicks...
                            That's 'fragging', with an a.
                            Long time member @ Apolyton
                            Civilization player since the dawn of time

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                            • #15
                              Will somebody please post and capitalize on the fact that a man is dead, over Iraq! I sense chegitz guevara's heart breaking here.

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