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The Russians will be pleased, at least.
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the important thing here is, FROM WHICH THEY ARE ASKED TO LEAVE.
but ok, blow your gun if you must."Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."Comment
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As will the Chinese. This is their chance to exert greater influence on the former Soviet Republics.“It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”
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Huh? We were asked to leave, at least in part cause we exerted human rights pressures on the Uzbek govt. The others dont exert humans rights pressures, and so are not asked to leave on that account.Originally posted by dannubis
the important thing here is, FROM WHICH THEY ARE ASKED TO LEAVE.
but ok, blow your gun if you must."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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if that is your belief... it is an assumption you made in the first place btw."Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."Comment
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Georgia, for one. Moldova, for another.Originally posted by dannubis
the important thing here is, FROM WHICH THEY ARE ASKED TO LEAVE.
but ok, blow your gun if you must.
Look at the broader central Asian game going on here and I think you'll gain an appreciation of why your line of thinking is absurd.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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i am not saying anything about the international politics on display here. i, just as much as you do, hope that this forgotten region finally gets some prosperity and peace.
but i have serious questions about the motives of your governement if i consider their unconditional support for the likes of Musharaf.
so, please no more : "look at us, we are willing to give up an insignaifacant base in the middle of nowhere that we do not actually need anymore over a human rights issue", while supporting a military dictator in one of the largest countries in central asia."Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."Comment
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So you admit that what you said with regard to Russia was absurd?I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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so, please no more : "look at us, we are willing to give up an insignaifacant base in the middle of nowhere that we do not actually need anymore over a human rights issue"
Which base are you talking about?Comment
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as far as i know i don't think they are asked to leave now ???
which doesn't mean that i think they shouldn't. time to let those people decide for themselfves.
and btw, i would laugh just as hard if serb would come here and claim that russia was going to leave a 'very important strategic base' over a human rights issue."Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."Comment
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Yes, they have been asked to leave from these places. Repeatedly. Vociferously.as far as i know i don't think they are asked to leave now ???
An opinion on Uzbekistan that doesn't take Georgia and Moldova into account is worthless.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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ok, if you say so."Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."Comment
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1. Musharraf isnt as oppressive as Karimov. Pakistan had parliamentary elections, in which multiple parties, some opposed to Musharaf, won plenty of seats. Nothing like that in Uzbekistan. Also Pakistan has a fairly vibrant press, IIUC, which Uzbekistan does not have. Also Musharrah hasnt done any massacres of peaceful protestors lately, that i know of, as Karimov is accused of.Originally posted by dannubis
i am not saying anything about the international politics on display here. i, just as much as you do, hope that this forgotten region finally gets some prosperity and peace.
but i have serious questions about the motives of your governement if i consider their unconditional support for the likes of Musharaf.
so, please no more : "look at us, we are willing to give up an insignaifacant base in the middle of nowhere that we do not actually need anymore over a human rights issue", while supporting a military dictator in one of the largest countries in central asia.
2. Our support for Musharraf, far from being unconditional, is conditioned on support for the hunt for AQ in Pakistan, something of importance to the entire world, not just the US. We also support furhter political reforms in Pakistan, but I think its quite reasonable that we hold that less important than musharrafs actions against AQ.
3. If the US is taking measures on human rights that others are not, its proper to recognize that, and not to complain that we havent been perfect in dropping our support for dictators, while others rush to support dictators."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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K2, which is a significant base.Originally posted by Kuciwalker
so, please no more : "look at us, we are willing to give up an insignaifacant base in the middle of nowhere that we do not actually need anymore over a human rights issue"
Which base are you talking about?"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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That was my point.Comment
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