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    Ming!!!!



    Gunning for game dollars
    Published: July 28, 2005, 5:11 PM PDT
    By Daniel Terdiman
    Staff Writer, CNET News.com
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    SAN FRANCISCO--With young men--the group advertisers most lust after--watching less and less television, a growing number of marketers are turning to video games as a way to reach the lucrative demographic.

    They're not the only ones jumping on the bandwagon. As evidence mounts that game players are reacting favorably to in-game ads, publishers are also finding that the medium offers new ways to offset skyrocketing development costs.

    "There's a lot of background noise and data to suggest that traditional media...are in a long-term decline," Mitchell Davis, CEO of Massive, said at the Advertising in Games West conference in San Francisco on Thursday. Some 200 people packed the gathering to hear experts on the topic talk about how big a market in-game ads will be, and the ways to ensure those ads best reach their targets. Massive has built one of the largest ads in games networks, "not only in a reach and media perspective, but also in advertising dollars."
    In-game ad

    While game advertising is only a $200 million business this year, most experts estimate that number will rise dramatically over the next few years. By 2007, in-game ads are expected to be worth nearly $400 million, more than $500 million by 2009 and close to $1 billion by 2010. The Yankee Group reports that cable TV ad revenues are around $22 billion, and Internet ad revenues are around $12 billion.

    In-game ads are taking many shapes. Most commonly, they're simple billboards for things such as movies, soda, cars and the like embedded in stand-alone titles. But now there are also interactive ads placed in online games, including full-motion video, strategically placed vending machines, branded cars and an endless stream of other options. Some games are even entirely branded marketing vehicles paid for by advertisers.

    According to Davis, who delivered the conference keynote, the key to succeeding with in-game ads is making them unobtrusive, realistic and ensure that they don't interrupt game play.

    "What we've seen in our research is that 90 percent of gamers like advertising in games," Davis said, "for the simple reason that it adds realism into the games."
    An 'evil genius' plan?
    While that statement might draw chuckles from some, such ad placement is exploding. And that, according to Nielsen Media Research, is partly due to the fact that video games have drawn away 7 percent of 18- to 24-year-old males from television.

    Not everyone thinks outfits like Massive have the best interests of video games at heart.

    Ian Bogost, an expert on games and an associate professor at Georgia Institute of Technology, recently slammed Massive.

    "Massive understands neither effective advertising nor games, and their principal goal is to make money by providing a deluded service to the deluded advertising industry," Bogost wrote in a column on Water Cooler Games, a Web site for game enthusiasts. "Their plan is evil genius: provide a media buying infrastructure identical to that of broadcast and outdoor for an advertising industry in crisis over degrading television advertising...Nothing could be more destructive to the ad or the game."
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    Still, for advertisers who depend on having their message reach as many people as possible, the fact that valuable eyeballs are glued to games instead of watching television is a wake-up call.

    "You're starting to see big advertisers pull money out of television," said Michael Goodman, a senior analyst at the Yankee Group. "Proctor & Gamble announced...that they are pulling money out of TV advertising because they felt they weren't getting enough bang for their bucks, and they are looking at video games as a place where they can."

    Goodman added that at E3, the video game industry's giant annual trade show in Los Angeles, Proctor & Gamble had been on hand and had asked him about the medium.

    "That really floored me," he said.
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    "What we've seen in our research is that 90 percent of gamers like advertising in games," Davis said, "for the simple reason that it adds realism into the games."
    An 'evil genius' plan?
    While that statement might draw chuckles from some, such ad placement is exploding. And that, according to Nielsen Media Research, is partly due to the fact that video games have drawn away 7 percent of 18- to 24-year-old males from television.
    90% like Ads in games... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    I would love to see that research, because other studies I've seen show almost the opposite

    "Proctor & Gamble announced...that they are pulling money out of TV advertising because they felt they weren't getting enough bang for their bucks, and they are looking at video games as a place where they can."
    Talk about top spin... the real story is that P&G is pulling a "small" amount of money out of their HUGE television budgets in hopes of finding alternative ways to reach people... But they still remain one of the top spenders in television.

    Goodman added that at E3, the video game industry's giant annual trade show in Los Angeles, Proctor & Gamble had been on hand and had asked him about the medium.

    "That really floored me," he said.
    It doesn't take much to floor this guy... asking about a medium at a trade show is a far stretch from investing big in it.

    Plus, most of P&G products are targeted at women/mothers... not the traditional audience for video games...
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    • #3
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      • #4
        It will be interesting to see how fast they will get the "big money"

        Product placements in Movies is at an all time high...
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Ming

          Plus, most of P&G products are targeted at women/mothers... not the traditional audience for video games...

          Yeah, I mean P&G sells soap, mouthwash, toothpaste


          I suppose they could gamers interested in Pringles, no? Do they still own that brand?
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          • #6
            Originally posted by lord of the mark
            Do they still own that brand?
            Yes... they still do
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            • #7
              It's interesting. If it works, advertisement could be useful, as it could make some games free (especially internet-based ones).
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Spiffor
                It's interesting. If it works, advertisement could be useful, as it could make some games free (especially internet-based ones).


                How come I think that the game publishers will just keep the money and see it as extra revenue... I haven't noticed the cost of a ticket to see a movie reduced since they started placing ads in the theaters before the movie, and product placements in the movies
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                • #9
                  In one of my old GameInformer magazines, they briefly discussed this (apparently) growing trend. Games like Driv3r, Midnight Club and the rest are slowly putting in real ads into games.

                  What's more suspect is that its effecting gameplay. They questioned the reason why a gamer had to drive around in useless circles other than for the gamer to see all the ads in the game.

                  While I don't doubt that this is a growing trend, I don't think it'll catch on anytime soon. Furthermore, I hope that game developers aren't forced into changing the gameplay just so the player is forced to go around and having to be exposed to all the ads in games.

                  ...that, and there are many more games out there with fake advertisements.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Ming
                    It will be interesting to see how fast they will get the "big money"

                    Product placements in Movies is at an all time high...
                    And getting inanely stupid. At some point people are sure to just completely tune them out.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Kuciwalker
                      And getting inanely stupid. At some point people are sure to just completely tune them out.
                      I agree that some of the product placements I've seen just sucked... They are going to have to be more creative to work the products in right, and they will have to lower their greed factor and turn some of the money down if they can't do it right...
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Kuciwalker


                        And getting inanely stupid. At some point people are sure to just completely tune them out.
                        Exactly.

                        They're not understanding their targets, young males. Who most likely don't give a crap about ads and would probably bash on the products advertised in the first place.
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                        • #13
                          For instance, in Fantastic Four - there's one point where the evil guy is watching something on his row of TV screens, and for several long seconds you can see the Samsung logo on the bottom. I just groaned.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Ming




                            How come I think that the game publishers will just keep the money and see it as extra revenue... I haven't noticed the cost of a ticket to see a movie reduced since they started placing ads in the theaters before the movie, and product placements in the movies
                            actually the MMO game Anarchy Online has the basic game as free

                            and to try and pay for it, they have adds all over the place for the freebies

                            now the true reason they provide the basic game for free is to get players to try out the game, because a good number end up buying the expansions (and having the game be full of people makes those who have the expansions happy)

                            but still, the only actual money they get from froobs is the advertising dollars (we who pay for the game don't see the advertisements)

                            JM
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                            • #15
                              in other words

                              pwned

                              JM
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