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  • #16
    The development cost of the Joint Strike Fighter is about $40 billion. That's to produce an aircraft based on decades of previous flight experience.

    A hundred billion for the shuttle isn't much.
    The JSF is inapposite. It's mission and role do not inform Shuttle's mission and role. That said, the JSF is a huge boondoggle too!

    Anyway, the problem with spending so much on NASA is that it is spent incredibly poorly. As such, it sucks the vitality out of the space community in equal portion to its funding. Increase the funding and all you have is people being moved to the unproductive column from the productive column.
    I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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    • #17
      The public market of space expiration will do wonders.

      I say, the first thing they need to do is build space craft out a composite material that can under the under carriage out of one complete peice... no more of this tile falling off worry.
      Monkey!!!

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      • #18
        Dan - a Titanium skinned light transport, designed for regular flights, with a second design a "Heavy Lift Body." That is what proper funding could have given us, plus a spaceport where any damage on liftoff could have been repaired.

        If your $16 billion is such an amazing amount of money, would you care to fund the military with that. Ok, not the military, just any single branch. The Army, Navy, or Air Force. Wait, it's not enough. So maybe you can fund a simple occupation with that much, like Iraq? What it's not enough?

        Strawman, Dan. I offered anaylsis, you offered a vague, globalized statement. I stated clearly that 16 billion is not enough to do the missions NASA is tasked with, let alone some of the projects there people try out of desperation for lack of funds, and to keep some kind of public relations prescence. To borrow from the younger set - pwned. Provide facts, show me that your $16 billion (prorated for the time period) could have produced a better shuttle. You know it couldn't have.
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        • #19
          Japher: I guess that's what Burt Rutan wants to do. This is only one of several ways to go about space launch that would be a step forward.
          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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          • #20
            Public money is obviously not enough... Space missions need sponsers.
            Monkey!!!

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            • #21
              shawn: In other words, you are proposing X-33. It didn't work when we tried it in the 90s. Thankfully, only a couple billion went down the tubes on that one.

              As for continued comparisons with the military, they aren't good comparisons at all. NASA isn't the military, especially nowadays.
              I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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              • #22
                Just what we need, Pepsi in space uke:
                meet the new boss, same as the old boss

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Japher
                  Public money is obviously not enough... Space missions need sponsers.
                  I agree with this wholeheartedly. In fact, I would suggest that we move away from using public money to do space missions. Public money is probably about a tenth as effective per dollar as private money. So you should be very careful about where you use public money.
                  I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                  • #24
                    What's Wrong With NASA?
                    It's not doing enough science, and it's doing too much "I wanna go to mars" meaningless ****.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by mrmitchell
                      Just what we need, Pepsi in space uke:
                      7 Up is giving away a ride to space. I see commercials about it all the time. It probably will only amount to a half million dollars in actual support to the industry, but it also gives needed exposure.
                      I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                      • #26
                        On the radio they were saying something how Viagra and Cialis would compete for space on them booster rockets, something about calling it the Maxi Launching Pad, and they could make a fortune if they marketed Tang correctly.
                        Monkey!!!

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                        • #27
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                          • #28
                            Re: What's Wrong With NASA?

                            Originally posted by Japher
                            Seriously...
                            I reckon one of the reasons is they don't have enough $$$.
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by DanS
                              Not at all. $16 billion is an amazing sum of money here on planet Earth, where normal people live.
                              That's nice - though you are ignoring the fact the NASA isn't about normal people living on planet Earth.
                              (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                              (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                              (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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                              • #30
                                NASA isn't about normal people living on planet Earth.
                                Exactly...not the point you wanted to make I suspect...

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