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    Article Launched: 07/24/2005 01:00:00 AM

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    Bigger sins than offending
    By Rep. Tom Tancredo
    R-Colo.

    By now, many people in America - and likely around the world - are familiar with my statements regarding a possible response to a nuclear attack on U.S. cities by fundamentalist Islamic terrorists.

    Without question, my comments have prompted strong reactions from many quarters, but they have also served to start a national dialogue about what options we have to deter al-Qaeda and other would-be Islamic terrorists.

    Many critics of my statements have characterized them as "offensive," and indeed they may have offended some. But in this battle against fundamentalist Islam, I am hardly preoccupied with political correctness, or who may or may not be offended. Indeed, al-Qaeda cares little if the Western world is "offended" by televised images of hostages beheaded in Iraq, subway bombings in London, train attacks in Madrid, or Americans jumping to their death from the Twin Towers as they collapsed.

    Few can argue that our current approach to this war has deterred fundamentalists from killing Westerners - nor has it prompted "moderate" Muslims and leaders of Muslim countries to do what is necessary to crack down on the extremists in their midst who perpetuate these grisly crimes.

    That being the case, perhaps the civilized world must intensify its approach.

    Does that mean the United States should be re-targeting its entire missile arsenal on Mecca today? Does it mean we ought to be sending Stealth bombers on runs over Medina? Clearly not.

    But should we take any option or target off the table, regardless of the circumstances? Absolutely not, particularly if the mere discussion of an option or target may dissuade a fundamentalist Muslim extremist from strapping on a bomb-filled backpack, or if it might encourage "moderate" Muslims to do a better job cracking down on extremism in their ranks.

    People have accused me of creating more terrorism by making these statements. Indeed, we often hear that Western governments bring these attacks on themselves. Just days after the London subway attacks two weeks ago, for example, Tariq Ali, a prominent British Muslim activist, was quick to suggest

    that London residents "paid the price" for British support in the Iraq campaign.

    A professor in Lebanon, Dr. George Hajjar, went even further, proclaiming, "I hope that every patriotic and Islamic Arab will participate in this war, and will shift the war not only to America, but to ... wherever America may be." Hajjar went on to say that "there are no innocent people," and referred to the victims of the attack as "collateral casualties."

    These are fairly "offensive" statements, to be sure, but the sentiments expressed by Ali and Hajjar are sadly commonplace in the "mainstream" Muslim world, where justification for terrorist attacks like the ones that rocked London, New York and Washington is never in short supply.

    Fundamentalist Muslims have advocated the destruction of the West since long before the attacks of Sept. 11, long before the Madrid, London and Bali attacks, long before the embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania, long before the attack on the USS Cole and the 1993 WTC bombing.

    In many respects, the decision of "moderate" Muslims to acquiesce to these actions and even provide tacit justification for them is just as damaging to global safety and security as the attacks themselves.

    Until "mainstream" Islam can bring itself to stop rationalizing terrorist attacks and start repudiating and purging people like Ali and Hajjar from its ranks who do, this war will continue. As long as this war goes on, being "offended" should be the least of anyone's worries.

    Republican Tom Tancredo represents Colorado's 6th Congressional District in the U.S. House of Representatives.
    So rather than admit he was a moron when he proposed the nuking of Mecca and Medina (in response to a WMD terract by AQ or the like) he stands staunchly behind what can only be describedas one of the most reckless blusterings since Kruschev's "we will bury" you rantings.

    "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

    “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

  • #2
    I agree that hes a moron because he doesnt see a link between the war on Iraq and the rise of more terrorism.

    But I don't think he's stupid when saying a WMD attack on America deserves something grave in response.
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    • #3
      Though a response against something not even in control by those groups (ie, belonging to someone else)?

      That's like a group being pissed at the US so it bombs the Kremlin in Russia.
      “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
      - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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      • #4
        Nuking Mecca and Medina won't exactly be taking care of the terrorists, and rationally, wouldn't be taking out many terrorists at all.

        But then, from the U.S. point of view, if an investment banker in New York dies from an atomic blast (or dirty bomb, have your choice), how is that fair?

        Its stupid to nuke and kill innocents, but how can the U.S. respond if it stats losing millions of innocents?
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        • #5
          And Tancredo is running for the GOP nomination for President.

          Brownback/Tancredo, how's that for a ticket?
          "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Ninot
            Nuking Mecca and Medina won't exactly be taking care of the terrorists, and rationally, wouldn't be taking out many terrorists at all.

            But then, from the U.S. point of view, if an investment banker in New York dies from an atomic blast (or dirty bomb, have your choice), how is that fair?

            Its stupid to nuke and kill innocents, but how can the U.S. respond if it stats losing millions of innocents?
            ...

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            So... um ....

            since there is no way else to respond, it is understandable if the US takes out the holiest cities of a religion, which are not under control by the terrorists, which would turn the entire world against the US.... for ... um... fairness?
            “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
            - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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            • #7
              Yeah, it sounds stupid doesnt it?

              But honestly, how can the U.S. respond to a nuclear blast that would 1: keep the nation content that the government is getting a good job done and 2: get something done?

              When Nukes become an option, everything gets crazy.

              If i'm a right-wing nut (which im not), and im trying to think of how to respond to a nuclear blast in the heart of my country, this is what i'd think:


              The terrorists don't represent the majority of Islam. New Yorkers (or any city) don't represent the government of the U.S.A or the majority of Americans.

              If the Terrorists can nuke New York, and kill people that have almost nothing to do with this entire conflict, then we'll respond in kind and nuke a big city full of Muslims


              Again, thats not my position. But I am not suprised there are many Americans who do hold that position, and honestly, it does make a little sense to me. If only a little.
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              • #8
                How does it make any sense at all (even only a little!)?!
                “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                • #9
                  And Tancredo is running for the GOP nomination for President.
                  Never heard of him before this thread.
                  I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                  • #10
                    Obviously we shouldn't nuke Mecca and Medina if we are attacked by a nuclear terrorist device.

                    We should nuke JUST Medina, and let them know that if we hear another peep out of them we will take care of their precious Mecca.

                    I think they would believe us at that point.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                      How does it make any sense at all (even only a little!)?!
                      How does nuking a U.S. city make any sense?

                      Most would maintain that it doesnt. but if you ask the right people, like those terrorists who might be trying to obtain nuclear devices, they'd think it would.
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                      • #12
                        Yay, mass-murder.

                        Never heard of him before this thread.
                        He's a US Rep, so doesn't have very much national exposure. Tancredo's known for being rabidly anti-immigrant, and will be running on that issue in the primaries.
                        "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                        -Bokonon

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                        • #13

                          How does nuking a U.S. city make any sense?
                          It doesn't. Not even a little bit.
                          "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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                          • #14
                            [q=Ninot]How does nuking a U.S. city make any sense?[/q]

                            It doesn't... are you saying that it'd be ok to respond to nonsense with nonsense?

                            Besides, I'm sure the terrorists would LOOOOOVE it if we nuked Mecca and Medina. They'd make their recruiting goals for the next 10 years in the week after the bombing.
                            “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                            - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                              [q=Ninot]How does nuking a U.S. city make any sense?[/q]

                              It doesn't... are you saying that it'd be ok to respond to nonsense with nonsense?

                              Besides, I'm sure the terrorists would LOOOOOVE it if we nuked Mecca and Medina. They'd make their recruiting goals for the next 10 years in the week after the bombing.
                              Read my posts in entirety please. I stated numerous times that I dont hold this stance, i just see why they think that.

                              And if the U.S. is getting nuked by terrorists, I think they cease to worry about how Terrorist recruiting is going.


                              How do you propose the U.S. respond to millions dead?
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