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If you don't understand why they do it, how can you tell us it's political reasons?
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Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?
It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok -
The point is very simple; "understanding" of so-called motives doesn't enter into it when politicians comment on political violence. In a democratic society it is to be condemned, and if certain politicians can't issue a condemnation without attempting to explain away the violence, they should keep quiet - and let their silence speak for itself.
6 weeks ago, unknown people doused the car of our relatively newly appointed Minister for Integration in flammable fluids and set it on fire, at 3 in the morning while it was parked in the driveway 6 feet away from the family bedroom. Luckily the family, including 2 small kids were awaken by the blaze and escaped physically unharmed, but the point is, again, that if any politician would've started to dwell on his or her "understanding" or empathy with the perpetrators, it wouldn't have been a condemnation, but an explanation, if not an outright endorsement.
This particular case was so serious though, that even the regular loonies kept their mouths shut. So we know they can do it if they reeaally concentrate...Comment
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No. The point is if some people do stupid ****, politicians will condemn it. But some politicians might still try to explain why they do it. This is not to "explain away" or endorsement of the action in question.
And if people still think that they´re stupid.I love being beaten by women - LorizaelComment
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Try to realise we're not talking about, for instance a politician saying "they must have done it because they disagreed with the victim politically" - that's a no-brainer, and of course some will touch on that when it's clearly a politically motivated violent crime.
I'm talking about using a violent attack to further the politician's own political agenda, saying for instance "the government has done so and so (going into specific criticisms) and what we saw yesterday is the result of the build-up of tensions among so and so, because of the rules and regulations as set up by the government - and one should not underestimate the widely held skepticism about the governments course in Iraq... etc. etc."
Now this is a fictional example, but the general choice of words and the overall message is not far from some of the statements I've heard on similar occasions over the years.
My point is such statements are not condemnations, first and foremost they're rationalizations, for political purposes, as to how the violence was a logical extension of normal political activities, among the elected representatives as well as the general population.
Baloney.
Political violence is to be condemned. Not agreed or disagreed with to various extents, depending on if it's the radical left or right who's behind it. Condemned.Comment
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Sorry it has taken some time, but RL aka known as family disturbed
, but Winston describes things pretty well.
EL and part of SF wouldn't mind to support these actions in public since it's what they want themselves, but if they do that, they are sure to loose at the next election - therefore the public condemnation and "still we understand it".
A parallel could be that if our local DNSAP got their IQ above 36 so they were able to pull their heads out of their asses and make simliar violence, I'm quite secure that the condemnation would miss the "understanding" part despite the fact that according to DNSAP's logic the violence would make sense.
@LC. The word understanding is a two egged (s)word. In one meaning it states that you can see the logic in A causes B, wich is just a logical assumption; the other is that when given A then it is no wonder that you get B. The first is simple logic, the other is supportive in the conclusion.With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven WeinbergComment
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The second is pure abuse of language.Originally posted by BlackCat
@LC. The word understanding is a two egged (s)word. In one meaning it states that you can see the logic in A causes B, wich is just a logical assumption; the other is that when given A then it is no wonder that you get B. The first is simple logic, the other is supportive in the conclusion.Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?
It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- ElokComment
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BC, I´m sure that Dansk Folkeparti wouldn´t be entirely unsympathetic towards the nazis if they burned down the occasional mosque or kicked the **** out of commies or arabs...I love being beaten by women - LorizaelComment
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You're out of your mind...Comment
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I don´t think so... I´ve read some of the things Pia Kjersgaard has said. And there is a reason why DF is extremely popular among the swedish nazis in Sverigedemokraterna and Nationaldemokraterna.I love being beaten by women - LorizaelComment
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Sverigedemokraterna, nationaldemokraterna, nydemokraterna, socialdemokraterna?
Am I the only one seeing a worrying pattern here?Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?
It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- ElokComment
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Don't forget to add the US "Democrats" and the German "Christdemokraten" and "Sozialdemokraten" to your pattern
"I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
"I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
"I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- DisComment
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OMG they are teh nazi! All of themOriginally posted by Last Conformist
Sverigedemokraterna, nationaldemokraterna, nydemokraterna, socialdemokraterna?
Am I the only one seeing a worrying pattern here?
I love being beaten by women - LorizaelComment
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I guess that there are some of DF that would do as you describe, but not as many as you think - the maiin parts of the stupids in the old Fremskridtspartiet followed Glistrup when the party was divided.
Actually, if the swedish nazis really knew what PK was representing, I guess thet they would repent her as the evil on earth - the real problem in Sweden is that any political view sligth to the right of the social democrats are considered as neonazis despite they don't have anything to with that.
Oh, and just to be precise, I guess that my politcal standpoint is a little to the left of Winston
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven WeinbergComment
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Nope, it's quite disturbing that a socialist party claims that it is democraticOriginally posted by Last Conformist
Sverigedemokraterna, nationaldemokraterna, nydemokraterna, socialdemokraterna?
Am I the only one seeing a worrying pattern here?
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven WeinbergComment
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Heil Göran Persson!
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