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  • #16
    SDM-HS75/B
    Co-Founder, Apolyton Civilization Site
    Co-Owner/Webmaster, Top40-Charts.com | CTO, Apogee Information Systems
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    • #17
      Markos, don't waste your money going for the good looks and all those "perfect" designs. Also, the "ergonomic" designs are horrible.

      Instead, use your money to make sure that you have a really good system. Order your PC built with specific parts, so that there would no badass bottleneks or something like that.

      You know, some people buy a 2.8 GHz PC with 1 GB RAM and have an Intel integrated video card on top of that .
      Solver, WePlayCiv Co-Administrator
      Contact: solver-at-weplayciv-dot-com
      I can kill you whenever I please... but not today. - The Cigarette Smoking Man

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      • #18
        If they're not playing 3D games, what's wrong with integrated video?
        "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
        Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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        • #19
          i wont have an integrated vga

          case/mb: SN95G5V2
          * Chassis
          G5-type aluminum chassis, black color
          storage bays: 1 x 5.25", 2 x 3.5" (1 internal)
          stealthed drive doors
          dimensions: 30 x 20 x 18.5 cm (LWH)
          weight: 2.85 kg net / 4.65 kg gross
          * Mainboard
          Shuttle FN95, Shuttle form factor, proprietary design for SN95G5V2
          chipset: NVIDIA nForce3 Ultra
          Award V6.0PG BIOS, 4MBit flash memory
          with hardware monitoring and ACPI power management functions
          dimensions: 25.4 x 18.5 cm
          * Power supply unit
          Silent-X 240 Watt mini PSU, supports 115/230V
          connectors: 20-pin ATX, 4-pin ATX12V
          * Processor support
          Socket 939 supports AMD Athlon 64 and AMD 64 FX processors
          supports 1GHz Hypertransport (2000 MT/s)
          * Processor cooling system
          Shuttle I.C.E. (Integrated Cooling Engine)
          advanced Heatpipe technology
          linear fan control, 92mm cooling fan
          * Memory support
          2 x 184 pin slots, supports Dual Channel
          supports PC3200/2700/2100 (DDR400/333/266) DDR SDRAM memory
          up to a total size of 2GB
          no support of buffered or ECC-modules
          * Expansion slots
          1 x AGP 8X/4X (1,5V only)
          1 x 32 Bit PCI (v2.2)
          * 6-channel Audio
          Realtek ALC655 5.1 channel audio controller
          AC97 v2.2 compiant
          analog: line-out (6-ch), microphone, CD-in, AUX
          digital: optical SPDIF in and out
          * LAN controller
          Marvel 8001 Gigabit Ethernet network controller
          supports 10 / 100 / 1000 MBit/s opteration
          * Firewire controller
          IEEE1394 Firewire controller VIA VT6307
          with 2 Firewire connectors (1x front and 1x rear)
          supports 400Mb/s, 200Mb/s, 100Mb/s data transfer rate
          * Drive connectors
          2 x Serial ATA, supports RAID 0, 1, 0+1
          2 x IDE ATA 133 drives
          1 x floppy disk drive
          * Front-panel I/O
          Microphone
          Headphone (Line-out)
          2x USB 2.0
          Firewire (4 pol.)
          * Back-panel I/O
          Firewire (6 pin)
          PS/2 for mouse and keyboard
          Gigabit LAN (RJ45)
          2 x USB 2.0
          6-ch Audio line-out (2x rear/front, bass/center)
          line-in
          optical SPDIF in and out
          coaxial SPDIF out
          Serial port (COM)
          optional Wireless LAN module
          optional parallel port
          * Other onboard connectors
          2 x USB 2.0 (total 6x)
          2 x CDROM input
          1 x AUX
          1 x Infrared interface
          3 x fan connectors
          * Conformity
          This device is classed as a technical information
          equipment (ITE) in class B and is intended for use in
          living room and office. The CE-mark approves the
          conformity by the EU-guidelines:
          - EMV-guideline 89/336/EWG electromagnetic tolerance
          - LVD-guideline 73/23/EWG use of electric devices
          within certain voltage-limits
          Co-Founder, Apolyton Civilization Site
          Co-Owner/Webmaster, Top40-Charts.com | CTO, Apogee Information Systems
          giannopoulos.info: my non-mobile non-photo news & articles blog

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          • #20
            the rest will be
            ATHLON 64 3200+ SOCKET 939
            2 x KINGSTON 512 MB DDR PC3200
            WESTERN DIGITAL 120GB SATA
            Co-Founder, Apolyton Civilization Site
            Co-Owner/Webmaster, Top40-Charts.com | CTO, Apogee Information Systems
            giannopoulos.info: my non-mobile non-photo news & articles blog

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Asher
              If they're not playing 3D games, what's wrong with integrated video?
              Because they may suddenly get the urge to play a game, or require advanced video feautures for whatever other reasons. Really, these people would be far better off getting a cheap real card. A GeForce FX 5200 is very cheap, yet a fully compatible DX9-card.

              ATHLON 64 3200+ SOCKET 939
              2 x KINGSTON 512 MB DDR PC3200
              WESTERN DIGITAL 120GB SATA


              Hmm, IIRC, you have always preferred AMD? Don't forget a DVD drive.
              Solver, WePlayCiv Co-Administrator
              Contact: solver-at-weplayciv-dot-com
              I can kill you whenever I please... but not today. - The Cigarette Smoking Man

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Solver
                Because they may suddenly get the urge to play a game, or require advanced video feautures for whatever other reasons. Really, these people would be far better off getting a cheap real card. A GeForce FX 5200 is very cheap, yet a fully compatible DX9-card.
                Because many users are like my parents, and they would never, ever, play a 3D game.
                "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                • #23
                  Well, then think future investment. Unless I'm mistaken, Longhorn wants support for 3D feautures for its new interface styles? I think that if you're getting a PC now, it would be wise for it to be able to run Longhorn. At least I prefer my PCs to have a configuration that lasts several years instead of becoming obsolete 6 months after purchase.
                  Solver, WePlayCiv Co-Administrator
                  Contact: solver-at-weplayciv-dot-com
                  I can kill you whenever I please... but not today. - The Cigarette Smoking Man

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                  • #24
                    You can run Longhorn on older machines, it just won't use the fancy eyecandy that WGF 2.0 (DX10-ish) cards will support.

                    Even if you buy a top-end card today, it won't support the highest fidelity in Longhorn.

                    There's 3 modes though, the most basic is 2D-based like Windows XP.
                    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                    Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                    • #25
                      My next PC:

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                      • #26
                        I still think that's one of the ugliest computers I've ever seen.

                        The only comparison are the other iMacs.
                        "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                        Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                        • #27
                          I love it, especially because of all the **** I'm able to eliminate with it's built-in bluetooth/airport: no more wires to a keyboard or mouse, to a printer(I'll hook it up to an airport station); I'll stream my music to my stereo via Airport w/ AirTunes..it'll do.

                          And for gaming I'll have the 360

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                          • #28
                            Bluetooth! Wow, I completely forgot the iMac was the only computer with bluetooth and wireless internet.

                            It makes me wonder -- how do my bluetooth PDA, keyboards, and mouses work? How does my wireless internet work?

                            How would you get your iMac to work with Wireless USB when it is finalized this year?
                            "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                            Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                            • #29
                              Verto, you're offending my eyes. Remove it!
                              Speaking of Erith:

                              "It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Asher
                                Bluetooth! Wow, I completely forgot the iMac was the only computer with bluetooth and wireless internet.

                                It makes me wonder -- how do my bluetooth PDA, keyboards, and mouses work? How does my wireless internet work?

                                How would you get your iMac to work with Wireless USB when it is finalized this year?
                                My Philips TV has color; does that mean it's the only one that does? No and neither does my statement mean that only the iMac offers Bluetooth.

                                Unless the fact that your car has four tires means that Toyotas only have three.

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