What would it take to overthrow the U.S. goverment

[Dis]

yeah good point, no one really cares about Kansas.

but there are some big cities in the midwest. Chicago, St. Louis, Minneapolis, Kansas City.

I know some navy ships can get to chicago, but I don't think the big ones can. (or can they?). I'm not sure, I'm not familiar with the great lakes geography.

In either case, navy isn't needed. As we could just use civilian airbases. Unless the civilians manage to take over all the airfields in the U.S. Then we'd have to rely on aircraft carriers and cruise missiles from other navy ships.

But most navy aircraft are actually stationed on land bases within the U.S. (in San Diego, Virginia Beach, Pensacola, and some other places). They only reside on the aircraft carrier during overseas deployment or workups.

[:) Smiley]

Now if the US Army decides to bomb US citizens, I suppose US citizens will react in the same way that Iraqi citizens do when they get bombed. Hint hint, being nice is not the answer.

[Kuciwalker]

Die?

And if they really needed to be bombed, nukes would work well.

[Dis]

ahh yes, nuking our own cities.

Which poses an interesting question. Which american city do you want to see nuked the most? could be an interesting thread poll.

Washington would be the obvious choice. Although all the relatives on my mom's side live 50 miles east of D.C. They wouldn't be in a good position for the fallout. oh well.

[Kuciwalker]

LA.

[:) Smiley]

It will be a great day when someone develops a distributed weapon of mass destruction that works better on rural areas as opposed to cities.

[Kuciwalker]

Aren't they called fundies?

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Dissident
yeah good point, no one really cares about Kansas.

but there are some big cities in the midwest. Chicago, St. Louis, Minneapolis, Kansas City.

I know some navy ships can get to chicago, but I don't think the big ones can. (or can they?). I'm not sure, I'm not familiar with the great lakes geography.

The maximum dimensions of a ship passing through the St. Lawrence seaway is 223m length, 23.8m width and 7.9 metres draft

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Lawrence_Seaway

The USS Enterprise is 335.6 m length, 40.5m width and 11.3 m draft

http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/65.htm

So no full carriers are getting to Chicago.

Plus they'd have to traverse Canadian waters to get there.

[Dis]

and Canada would stop the U.S. military?

but does pose a question over which side Canada would take in such a conflict.

[beingofone]

What would it take to overthrow the U.S. goverment

Everyone stop paying income tax.
Hard to run a government with no money.

[Odin]

Re: What would it take to overthrow the U.S. goverment

Originally posted by beingofone
Everyone stop paying income tax.
Hard to run a government with no money.

[Vesayen]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
They can when they have tanks and planes and ships.

Collateral damage using ship artillery is too high.

Planes.... same problem.

Tanks, maybe.

The thing is, how do you target militia dispersed amoung the rest of the population? You can't. There is no effective way to use planes, tanks or ships to attack an army hidden amoung a supportive population.... for more on that, see Israel, Kurdistan, Chechnia, Ireland, Afghanistan, Iraq....... vietnam.

Massive firepower does not help if your target is hidden, unless your willing to essentially glass an area and have massive civilian casualties.

Massive civilian casualties will result in exponential growth in support of an uprising and what might be between 1 and 20 million revolutionaries, becomes 100 million overnight(and remember, we Americans got enough guns to arm most of our population!).

Originally posted by Dissident
and Canada would stop the U.S. military?

but does pose a question over which side Canada would take in such a conflict.

If it was a populos revolution, they would either stay neutral or side with the populas.... they'd realize a populas revolution would suceed and they'd want to be on the right side.

[Patroklos]

Only a minority of activists are students. Your ignorance is showing again.

Perhaps in your twisted world. Of all the people who suffer from the general American "my give a **** is broken attitude," the poor are the worst.

But if you are truly contending that the majority of activists are poor and not students, well, you do believe in communism so I guess you are capable of believing anything.

Back to school for che.

You said...

Whether or not there will be violence is up to the capitalists. In other words, there will be violence.

Two things from your statement. One, in your scenario there is an active revoluion going on, and two, since you are communists and you used "capitalist" it is a communist one.

If you are offering a scenario where communists stage a revolution and don't attack the core valies of American capitalism such as those revolting beliefs in property and democracy, and you think they will not use force to do it then back to the sandbox with you.

In either case whether violence happens is always the decision of the revolutionarys, stage a revolution or not.

That just might be easy enough for you to follow. Probobly not.

I always find it funny that those who are strong advocates of harsh sentencing, strong law and order, and always take the side of the police and military in the U.S., then go on to talk about how bad it is for other countries to do the same.

Didn't realize the US your talking about was a different country than the one I live in. Interesting. Care to elaborate?

There's a word for people like you, hypocrites.

Interesting since there is no hypocracy in that view.

There is a word for people like you, its dumbass.

Your ignorance is showing again.

Che thinks I am ignorant. A communist "real revolutioary" who talks about alot but does nothing thinks me ignorant. Whatever shall I do...

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Vesayen
Collateral damage using ship artillery is too high.

We're talking about putting down a rebellion. Why are you asuming the military would play nice?

Massive civilian casualties will result in exponential growth in support of an uprising and what might be between 1 and 20 million revolutionaries, becomes 100 million overnight(and remember, we Americans got enough guns to arm most of our population!).

[Patroklos]

The majority of all four services is most definetly still stateside.