Explosion heard in London - political part

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Originally posted by Kalius


And the French bombing a ship in NZ is caused by their propensity to not like being nuked?

You mean that this old incident was the cause of the organization of Londonistan by the UK?

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Among other more recent incidents, yes. The UK is traditionally reluctant to extradict people where there is a concern they would be sent to their death.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

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Originally posted by DAVOUT


So your propensity to protect terrorists was resulting from the behaviour of the French police. Interesting. I suppose that your participating in killing Iraqis is caused by their propensity to resist invasion.

Yes. In a warzone, these things happen.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Predictably enough, the bombings are being paraded as "proof" that we need ID cards (despite the fact that those indicated as suspects appear to be here lawfully, and it would be impossible to ID check all tube passengers). Apparently ID cards would have prevented the bombing.

I'm not entirely sure how. Perhaps it's because the cost of the cards would leave us all so impoverished that we couldn't afford to use public transport?

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Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
Among other more recent incidents, yes. The UK is traditionally reluctant to extradict people where there is a concern they would be sent to their death.

I agree, the UK is traditionnally reluctant to extradict people when it could result in having its territory submitted to terror attacks. Selfish but efficient policy.
I am sure that you will understand that, considering how you handled the IRA affair, we will refrain from extraditing potential culprits of the London terror attack we could detain.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


evidence on deliberate killing of Afghani civilians by people that Thatcher explicityly endorsed? Something comparable to the bus bombings, pizza parlor bombings that Hamas has engaged in?

The charming Mr. Abdul Haq, 'FREEDOM FIGHTER' and mujahedin for instance ?


He had been responsible for a bomb at Kabul airport in 1984 which killed 28 people, many of them students and schoolchildren preparing to visit the Soviet Union.

Haq said the purpose of the bomb was "to warn people not to send their children to the Soviet Union".

Mr Haq then came to the United Kingdom in 1986 at the request of the then government, and at U.K. taxpayers' expense.

Of his tactics of firing rockets indiscriminately at Kabul he said:

" I have to free my country. My advice to people is not to stay close to the government. If you do, it's your fault. We use poor rockets; we cannot control them. They sometimes miss. I don't care about people who live close to the Soviet Embassy, I feel sorry for them, but what can [I] do? "

"Fight on!" exhorted Margaret Thatcher.

On March 5th, 1986, a Downing Street spokesperson issued this statement :

" The Afghans don't see themselves as revolutionaries. They're only trying to resist an invader and win back their freedom. The prime minister has a degree of sympathy with the Afghan cause inasmuch as they're trying to rid their country of invaders, which you cannot say of the A.N.C. and P.L.O. "

Haq said in a recent interview: " There was nothing I could do that didn't involve killing my own people."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/10/28/wlamb28.xml

Mr Haq was an avid supporter of the obnoxious Gulbuddin Hekmatyar.


What a difference a country and a decade or two make for Mrs. Thatcher's scruples:

Former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher has angered Muslim leaders in Britain by criticizing them for not speaking out louder against the September 11th attacks. Scholars of Islam in the United States, where Muslim leaders from a broad spectrum of Islamic organizations by and large have spoken with one voice in condemning the attacks, disagree on whether Thatcher's criticism is founded.

"They must say that it was disgraceful," Thatcher told The Times in an interview published Thursday. "I have not heard enough from Muslim priests."

Chicago Sun-Times CATHLEEN FALSANI RELIGION REPORTER

Well possibly because there aren't Muslim priests, but I suppose one can't expect someone who thinks there's no such thing as society to understand that.

So it's okay to indiscriminately kill Afghan schoolchildren and students and residents of Kabul, but anyone else....

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Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
Predictably enough, the bombings are being paraded as "proof" that we need ID cards (despite the fact that those indicated as suspects appear to be here lawfully, and it would be impossible to ID check all tube passengers). Apparently ID cards would have prevented the bombing.

You misunderstand the use of ID cards. They are useful long before the attack in giving to the police a precise method for controling identities. Of course you can prefer not to control identities and base your protection on Echelon. But Echelon is quite good to spy on allies and friends, but inefficient against terrorist as you recently discovered : a few days before the attack the level of danger was officially reduced, before a G8 meeting, which reveals a large ignorance of the situation.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by DAVOUT


I agree, the UK is traditionnally reluctant to extradict people when it could result in having its territory submitted to terror attacks. Selfish but efficient policy.
I am sure that you will understand that, considering how you handled the IRA affair, we will refrain from extraditing potential culprits of the London terror attack we could detain.

Cool beans. If you want to hang on to people who consider you to be the enemy too, feel free.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by DAVOUT


You misunderstand the use of ID cards. They are useful long before the attack in giving to the police a precise method for controling identities.

And that prevents bombings in France, does it?

[KrazyHorse]

Why wouldn't you want the government to know where you were every minute of every day?

Damn unpatriotic of you...

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

If they can't even get a working chip in my debit card, I hold out little hope for these £200 ID cards that we're reassured we won't need to carry around anyway.

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Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp


Cool beans. If you want to hang on to people who consider you to be the enemy too, feel free.

I have no problem in being consider an enemy by YOU. It is only a pity for you.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp


And that prevents bombings in France, does it?

It didn't in Spain.


" Data obtained from the US State Department and from the Israel based International Policy Institute for Counter-Terrorism (IPICT 2004) indicates the 25 countries that have suffered most from terrorist attacks since 1986.


This list can then be compared with available data on the existence of identity cards.



No. of attacks deaths ID card Biometric
Afghanistan 4 34 yes no
Algeria 41 280 yes no
Argentina 2 129 yes no
Bangladesh 5 49 yes no
Cambodia 8 37 yes yes
Colombia 90 400 yes no
Egypt 22 115 yes yes
France 31 37 yes no
India 46 520 no no
Indonesia 14 250 yes no
Israel 227 - yes yes
Kenya 3 267 yes no
Morocco - - yes no
Nigeria 2 171 yes yes
Pakistan 68 420 yes yes
Palestine 240 - yes no
Peru 31 40 yes yes
Philippines 38 113 no no
Russia 32 620 yes yes
Saudi Arabia 10 30 no no
Spain 51 250 yes yes
Sri Lanka 27 440 yes no
Turkey 57 85 yes no
Uganda 12 42 no no
United States 13 3650 no no

Eighty per cent of these countries have long-standing identity card systems, a third of which contain a biometric such as a fingerprint. While it is impossible to claim that terrorist incidents have been thwarted as a result of an ID card, the above data establishes that the cards are unable to eliminate terrorist incidents.

http://www.privacyinternational.org/issues/idcard/uk/id-terrorism.pdf

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Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp


And that prevents bombings in France, does it?

As far as AQ is concerned, I can say yes, but associated with other techniques, and without being convinced that it could solve all the problems. You can imagine that Spain is quite satisfied by the French cooperation against ETA for some reasons.

[molly bloom]

Damn.

I was so hoping that table of statistics would come out properly...