Saw I finally saw the Passion of the Christ

[Jon Miller]

no

the fact that He lived His life sinless, and that He was the son of God, are both relevant

and his teachings are relevant too many

but what is especially relevant to Christians, what is key to being Christian

is that Christ, who was without sin, died for us, who are sinners

and on the third day, He rose again

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

as for me, the movie was very strong

and most protestant denominations don't focus much on Christs physical suffering (in fact, I think that they focus more on the ressurection then do catholics)

and I am fine with that

but Christ's suffering, including physically

is part of the death, which is key to Him being Christ (without dying there could be no forgiveness of sin) and to us, as sinners, being able to be saved

as such I appreciated it, and would like to own it (I think)

but I don't plan on watching it again in the near future

Jon Miller

[Berzerker]

what makes Jesus different for Christians, is His death and ressurection

Does that mean Christians find his teachings invalid without his death and resurrection? Strange, Jesus lamented how people needed miracles. Faith in his teachings or faith that he died and was resurrected, i,e, one last miracle for those lacking faith in his teachings.

Taking one post and quoting seven different passages is parsing exemplified.

If those 7 passages make 7 points, it isn't parsing to respond to each point.

So you didn't like the movie.

I haven't seen it, I said I wasn't interested in seeing some gut get flayed for 2 hours.

Doesn't mean we have to 'jack this thread into a debate about religion, however.

You gotta be kidding!

[Berzerker]

Oh yeah, you've been "parsed"

[Berzerker]

Parsing -

1 To break (a sentence) down into its component parts of speech with an explanation of the form, function, and syntactical relationship of each part.

2 To describe (a word) by stating its part of speech, form, and syntactical relationships in a sentence.

edit: I don't see where I did that once to Ozzy's post, even when I was just joking with my responses.

[Pekka]

Anyone who thinks this movie was anti-semitici is an idiot.
Anyone who gets all fired up that Jews were part of killing Jesus because of this film is an idiot. Anyone who thinks to see something else than the killing of Jesus when portraying the last 12 hours of his life ... does not go into any other category.

If you don't want to see 'a snuff film', then I suggest you don't go to see where one is guaranteed, and get all disappointed. Like I said, if people want to have some laughs, I suggest comedy. If they want to see Jesus and his life we like to remember, then I suggest they go see Jesus film that does not spesifically concentrate on the last steps. It's just that simple. It's like the if you don't like what's on TV, change the channel almost. It's too obvious.

Sounds like someone is trying to DOWNPLAY the suffering Jesus took. That's disrespectful as far as I see it. There were many points the movie made, but if you were distracted by the violence in it, well I guess you should stick with comedies.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Pekka
Sounds like someone is trying to DOWNPLAY the suffering Jesus took.

Really? It looked to me more like POTC was playing it up. I don't recall the Biblical descripitions of his suffering being so long, graphic and detailed. They certainly didn't dwell on the violence.

I find it odd that some people claim that Jesus must have suffered more than anyone, ever. Sorry, but I've read the Bible, and what he underwent pales in comparison to some of the atrocities man has inflicted on his fellow man throughout the ages. Genghis Khan could have taught the Romans many lessons on how to inflict suffering.

Then, of course, we have the point that all of the descriptions of Jesus' suffering may, in fact, be just fairy tales.

[JohnT]

I don't recall the Biblical descripitions of his suffering being so long, graphic and detailed.

It didn't take three days to read either.

[Pekka]

Boris, no I'm not saying he suffered the most. He took a beating. But a bad one. Happens every day around the world.

The thing is, I don't think the violence used was THAT bad like people make it to sound. It FELT bad. It LOOKED bad. It was GRAPHIC. But facts remains facts, he took some whipping, that tored skin, and then what? Carried the cross, check, got crucified, check.. basically what people are saying is that the whipping part was super and never happened, couldn't have happened etc.

Well. I'm saying it wasn't THAT bad, even though if man goes through that, it's very bad. I'm saying it isn't the ultimate violence flick, what you saw was some nasty whipping. Oh and he got whipped.

So..

cry babies.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Pekka
But facts remains facts,

Then, of course, we have the point that all of the descriptions of Jesus' suffering may, in fact, be just fairy tales.

[Pekka]

No I said facts remains facts regarding to the movie.

[Berzerker]

Anyone who thinks this movie was anti-semitici is an idiot.

Anyone who gets all fired up that Jews were part of killing Jesus because of this film is an idiot.

Are they idiots for being sensitive to images of Jews murdering God given how many centuries they suffered at the hands of "Christians"? I dont know why you're blind to their rationale. Even I understand it and I'm quite insensitive. How many Jews have to die because of Jesus?

Anyone who thinks to see something else than the killing of Jesus when portraying the last 12 hours of his life ... does not go into any other category.

Yup, people who don't want to see someone get flayed for 2 hours. You may be a Christian and you may feel some need to see it, but dont hang your complex on the rest of us. If it wasn't about Jesus but just some guy lost in the sands of time, would you watch?

If you don't want to see 'a snuff film', then I suggest you don't go to see where one is guaranteed, and get all disappointed.

Geez, another one of those "dont watch it" responses?
YOU ASKED WHY PEOPLE WERE OFFENDED! Did you ask that expecting no answer? Then upon getting an answer you tell people not to watch it? Well DUH! Topping that off by calling people idiots is

Sounds like someone is trying to DOWNPLAY the suffering Jesus took. That's disrespectful as far as I see it.

Then change the channel. Howdya like them apples?

There were many points the movie made, but if you were distracted by the violence in it, well I guess you should stick with comedies.

Thanks again for the advice.

Here's your argument: "you dont want to watch a man get flayed for 2 hours? You are an idiot!"

Now go smack yourself in the forehead to show your respect for Jesus

[Pekka]

Berz, yeah they are idiots. And as far as I think, mostm people who cry this thing aren't even Jewish people. This ain't the united world of the offended. People getting upset, they have the right to get upset and raise their voice. So what? I'm sure few people got offended from Shrek 2 as well.

"Yup, people who don't want to see someone get flayed for 2 hours. You may be a Christian and you may feel some need to see it, but dont hang your complex on the rest of us. If it wasn't about Jesus but just some guy lost in the sands of time, would you watch? "

Hey it's not a 'complex', it's just the fact that I can read and understand, that if I go to see last 12 hours, that's what it will most likely be! What is this? Open microphone night for idiots all of the sudden? If I saw a movie coming out about 2 hours of beating up some random dude, I prolly wouldn't go see it, because it wouldn't interest me. But who knows! Who plays the guy getting beat up? Who directs it?!

But I'd be an idiot if I came out of the theater crying how violent it was, since I was going in there to see that in teh first place.

"Geez, another one of those "dont watch it" responses? "

Yeah if it gets your panties in a twist, but if you however do go and watch it, don't wo nder why peopel call you an idiot. If you go see a porn movie, you're an idiot if you come back crying it had nudity in it.

""you dont want to watch a man get flayed for 2 hours? You are an idiot!" "

This is not my point and this is false analogy. I suggest you go smack yourself in the head. At least I can read better than you can. I read my posts again, just in case you say 'well you can't write?!+2423´+0'. Yes I can. Results of ghetto education can be seen in your reading abilities.

It's sad really... And while you're at it, stop hating Jesus!

[Boris Godunov]

Pekka vs. Berz. I'm positively giddy with anticipation at how this will turn out.

[Pekka]

I can't be arsed, since he can not understand words and their relations to each other. Example:

I want to eat.

"so what you really say is you want to listen music!! HGAHA!"

I can do that with the kids in the daycare right next to me.

Ta-ta, IDIOTS! JESUS HATERS!