Finland appreciation thread

[Spiffor]

Here, you can say what you like about Finland. Say good things about this very nice country!

Finnish saunas

Relaxed attitude to nakedness

Juhannus

Pekka & Stefu

Kassi

[Kuciwalker]

Evil

[Pekka]

yeah why would you start appreciating thread. Don't be Chirac apologist... it's not your fault and you won't be held responsible, and people kind of expect him to continue with things upsetting others.

And I wouldn't start appreciating thread about socialist state that is going straight to hell in the next 30 years anyway, economically. Structured unemployment, that is not getting even slightly solved or lightened. No one does anything to it. Everyone is afraid to screw up so they rather not do anything. FACT.

And how does this solve the problem? Well it doesn't, it just makes it tougher to solve in the future. You're not expected to make more than 25-30k a year, minus half because of income tax, minus what ever the *peep* from other taxes, go to buy stuff, plus 22% VAT everything, gas prices so high, even diesel costs close to 1 euro per liter now.. DIESEL!!!! And it ain't coming down. Regular goes for 1.20 or higher. Most of the times higher. And public transportation is even more expensive so it's actually more often than not cheaper to drive alone with the car that is averagely 10 years old. THat's the car pool we have. Damn Japanese box cars, one hit, two kills!

But still it's OK when comparing to underdeveloped nations and also some other more succesful nations.

But it's turning into bad every single day, more and more, and there's no help coming with these damn social democrats, other word for stupid fat people, or with our leftist 'movement', but it's nto a movement because it's the establishment and has been like forever. And still they somehow manage to be trendy and claiming they are the future because they have ideas and stuff, it's not like they don't already dominate. SO what now? THey need 100% representation so they can truly turn this country into commie madness?

or what about thsoe stabbing killers, or shooters, or just plain murderers, who MIGHT get 10 years from murder, that means brutal killing, not planned killing in here by the way, and first timers get out in half? ****.. few years in and the vacations starts rolling! There's no justice in here.

In short, there's no justice in here, there's no protection of citizens here since you pay more to the state than the victim if you happen to get caught from baseball bat smashing someones head, there's NO economical future in here, our defense is getting weaker by the day as well, and all the main positions are manned by leftist *****es now and in the future as well, the youth is not interested in breaking this lock but going for trendy greens because 'they are for the environment and that's a good thing!', or leftists because (US is classic example of bastard nation and we want to be the opposite, ro similar collective responsibility over stabbing drunks BS) etc etc.. there's no future in here. WE have ridden the wave already. We need another war or something to change this crap.

[Jaguar]

Kassiopeia be woo (and some Yarrr as well)

[Spiffor]

Pekka rants

Juhannus

I can't undcerstand that you rant when you are the country that celebrate JUHANNUS!

[Pekka]

YOu think that makes up for all the oppression?

Here you go, have a medal, now you won't mind that we don't PAY YOU!

[Theben]

Finland is okay.

[yogho]

Originally posted by Pekka


or what about thsoe stabbing killers, or shooters, or just plain murderers, who MIGHT get 10 years from murder, that means brutal killing, not planned killing in here by the way, and first timers get out in half? ****.. few years in and the vacations starts rolling! There's no justice in here.

WTF are you talking about? Murder in Finland means planned killing OR brutal killing. The only punishment for murder is life sentence, and while it's true that most murderers are paroled after 10-15 years, its because most murderers (and while I haven't got the statistics here right now, I'm fairly sure it's over 80 %) are normal people who stabbed their drinking buddy or a bystander in a drunken rage, and are not especially violent people nor likely to kill again.

All murderers are currently first timers, but they won't get out in half, because there is no "half" in life sentences.

Professional criminals who have killed doing their business will sit in prison far longer, and insane people are in a nuthouse propably for the rest of their life. People do die of old age in Finnish prisons. For example the biker gang members who shoot at each other on streets in broad daylight will definetly sit for more than 20 years.

The biggest reason why our murder sentences are lower than some other countries' is that we don't have so much professional criminals. And professionals don't kill, because they know that the police will hunt down killers, even if it means ignoring other crimes for saving the resources for it. More than 90 % of killings are solved.

While I agree that it's not rare to see Finnish justice system letting someone off too lightly, and it too easily punishes for self defence, the common whining about it's ultra-leniency is usually done by people who get their facts from the garbage evening-newspapers.

You should remember that only one released killer in the history of independent Finland has killed again. And he wasn't released the second time.

[Pekka]

" Murder in Finland means planned killing OR brutal killing. "

Wrong. Planning is only one bonus but alone does not make killing into murder in Finland. Please, do your homework before going on wtf-mode. Yeah I know it's weird.

And because universally murder IS when you plan and kill someone, I said murder doesn't land you for more than possibly 10 years. A murder by Finnish standards will get you life, but since it's not enough to be only kill and plan, well..

" normal people who stabbed their drinking buddy or a bystander in a drunken rage"

Yes yes.. normal people plan to kill people and execute while making it exceptionally brutal.. yeah.. sure.. what ever.. just a little drunk.. not responsible.. just normal.. it happens..

"All murderers are currently first timers, but they won't get out in half, because there is no "half" in life sentences."

That's right. But since planning to kill and do it is not enough ALONE to get murder sentence in here, you can murder in what we universally think is murder and not get life. You can get 10 years. And out in half. If you even get 10 years that is.


"Professional criminals who have killed doing their business will sit in prison far longer"

Far longer than half? Oh my heart is bleeding! NO not the full sentence? Come on, that's just brutal!

"For example the biker gang members who shoot at each other on streets in broad daylight will definetly sit for more than 20 years.
"

Oh this is a fact? Tell me one example. Oh, hasn't happened yet? Right.

"The biggest reason why our murder sentences are lower than some other countries' is that we don't have so much professional criminals."

This fact is based on what? Your gut feeling? And if that was true, so what? Where's your logic in this argument to begin with?

"And professionals don't kill"

Are you trying to make my commie **** list on purpose?

Yeah because true professionals only steal candy. It's far more safe.

"More than 90 % of killings are solved."

First fact you provided.

"While I agree that it's not rare to see Finnish justice system letting someone off too lightly, and it too easily punishes for self defence, the common whining about it's ultra-leniency is usually done by people who get their facts from the garbage evening-newspapers."

go on. Own yourself even more. You don't even know the definition of murder. You make up stuff and your only fact is that cops solve appx 90%. Nice dude. Oh, and that stuff is from where? Garbage papers Another self ownage right there..


"You should remember that only one released killer in the history of independent Finland has killed again."

Who?

[Pekka]

oh and now that you prolly are reading finlex in climax, I'd like to pre-empt your misinterpretation. It says vakaasti harkiten, which has been discussed over and over again in several forums, has been on several other media, that it means when it shows intention. Which is the DIRECT translation. NOT plan. It does not say if it has been suunniteltu, it says vakaasti harkiten. Which means it shows intention. Which is another thing. Similar, but another thing.

Ta-ta.

[KrazyHorse]

Finland sucks.

It had to be said.

[Pekka]

And now that you even further misinterpret my last post, I'd like to explain it, so it's clear enough. IF you have a plan, a damn 20 page powerpoint presentation, advance payment from someone, you say that 20 people hear your plans and they see the presentation, it's a murder even in here. That is showing intention.

What we mean when we talk about plan is however a real damn plan with almost blue prints etc. I say if you have contemplated killing someone for a day, talk about it to one person and do it, it's a murder. THat is, however, not murder in our justice system yet. If a person goes home to get gun, only to return back to kill some people, they have thought about it and I call that a plan to kill, since you didn't do it suddenly. If you actually took steps, you had some time to think it over, or more, to cool off, and you still do it, it's a murder. That's a plan, even if it's just mental.

YOu don't need blue prints and powerpoint presentations to have something that is a plan.

[reds4ever]

From what I know of Finns they like football and beer, so Finland in general gets a (except for the cold)

[yogho]

Originally posted by Pekka

"Professional criminals who have killed doing their business will sit in prison far longer"

Far longer than half? Oh my heart is bleeding! NO not the full sentence? Come on, that's just brutal!

I meant longer than ten years

"And professionals don't kill"

Are you trying to make my commie **** list on purpose?

Yeah because true professionals only steal candy. It's far more safe.

Professional criminals rob, steal and sell drugs among other things. They do this because it makes money and the risk of getting caught is relatively small. They avoid killing, because they know that if they kill, they'll get the police after them like no other act will. They don't want to get in jail. Of course the whole picture isn't as rosy, they are still involved in murders, but they don't kill personally, they just use some morons from the street. But the point is, they are rarely sentenced for murders when compared to drunk killers.

"You should remember that only one released killer in the history of independent Finland has killed again."

Who?

I don't remember his name, but it was a guy who first killed someone because of some dispute with his wife. When he was released, he drove straight to his wife's place and shot her and her new boyfriend. I don't remember the details right now.

Concerning what is murder and what isn't, "vakaasti harkiten" clearly means to do something purposefully. This is the way the courts interpret it. If you do an act whose intention is to kill, say shoot someone in the head, you are commiting a murder even in Finland. If you can convince the court that you were blinded by rage, and just shot at the guy, and it was an accident that it hit his head, and you actually didn't try to kill him, you might get off with manslaughter. Granted, this happens far too often, but it doesn't change that your interpretion is somethig completely weird. I have never heard anyone else to claim that intentional killing isn't murder.

I don't even understand how you inerpret the word suunniteltu. If the law said that, then it would mean that you would need an actual plan, harkiten means basically that you just have to think that "I want him dead" and then kill him.

[VetLegion]

When they let us and Turkey in EU I'll move to Finland next thing you know