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    Incontrovertible proof that JD Powers' "long term" reliability statistic is nonsense

    CNN.com - J.D. Power: Most reliable used cars - Jun 29, 2005
    http://www.cnn.com/2005/AUTOS/06/29/jdpower_depend_tops/index.html


    2002 Chevy Malibu is the most reliable midsize car!

    Compact car: 2002 Chevrolet Prizm

    Entry midsize car: 2002 Chevrolet Malibu

    Premium midsized car: 2002 Buick Century

    Full-size car: 2002 Buick LeSabre

    Entry luxury car: 2002 Ford Thunderbird

    Mid luxury car: 2002 Lincoln Town Car

    Premium luxury car: 2002 Lexus LS 430

    Sporty car: 2002 Mazda Miata

    Premium sports car: 2002 Porsche 911

    Midsized pick-up: 2002 Chevrolet S-10

    Light-duty full-sized pick-up: 2002 Cadillac Escalade EXT

    Entry SUV: 2002 Honda CR-V

    Midsized SUV: 2002 Toyota 4Runner

    Full-sized SUV: 2002 GMC Yukon/Yukon XL

    Entry luxury SUV: 2002 Lexus RX 300

    Premium luxury SUV: 2002 Lexus LX 470

    Midsized van: 2002 Ford Windstar

    Full-sized van: 2002 Ford E-series
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    We had good reliability from the '02 Mailbu in our rental fleet. "long term" I can't speak to as we sold them off before the warranty expiration.

    Ditto for the Buick Century.

    Our problems were Cavalier/Sunfire and anything by Hyundai.
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    • #3
      When you look at 4+ year reliability for the Chevy Malibu, it seems to not do very well (numbers are percentranks).

      Source: http://www.autooninfo.net (their source is compiled from Consumer Reports -- a non-profit organization)


      Versus the Echo:


      For those you can't read: Echo got 0.94 in 2002 (Excellent), and the Malibu got 0.19 (Terrible)...

      Contrast this with other information:


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      • #4
        You must not forget the cost factor though Asher. We would not rent Toyota as the cost of the car outweighed what we would get back in rentals. A midsize import would often cost the same as a full size domestic. For the same $$ we got less revenue from an import as they could only rent for midsize money.

        What is the cost difference between your examples (the Lexus vs the Malibu)?
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Wezil
          You must not forget the cost factor though Asher. We would not rent Toyota as the cost of the car outweighed what we would get back in rentals. A midsize import would often cost the same as a full size domestic. For the same $$ we got less revenue from an import as they could only rent for midsize money.

          What is the cost difference between your examples (the Lexus vs the Malibu)?
          I don't think cost matters?

          Look at the Camry vs Malibu (same category) in 2001:

          Camry: 0.90 (2002, MSRP is $18,970 for base model, invoice is $16,976): http://www.car-prices-costs.com/2002-Toyota-Camry.html
          Malibu: 0.26 (2002, MSRP is $17,760 for base model, invoice is $16,250): http://www.car-prices-costs.com/2002...et-Malibu.html
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          • #6
            MSRP are comparable but we didn't pay MSRP

            I accept your point however. If these stats are credible and the prices comparable then you should prefer a Camry over a Malibu.
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            • #7
              That's interesting. US cars tend to do badly in UK JD Power surveys- certainly way behind the Japanese models.

              Seeing as it's a survey, are the results being skewed by patriotism?
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              • #8
                Good God. That Chevy Malibu is a really ugly car.
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                • #9
                  Like many US cars - The Malibu did look good at one time.
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                  • #10
                    I have '67 Malibu sitting dead in my garage. It's a nice looking car, if only I had the time to fix it.
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