Interesting Analysis of Loss of Support for Iraq War

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Bosh
The Daily Show?

[Dr Strangelove]

What bothers me is the ever growing civilian body count. I think that we should expedite the incorporation of the Shiite and Kurdish militias into the Iraqi defense force and get the heck out of there. We're not depleting the insurgents. The best we can hope for is that when we leave the country doesn't unravel into a civil war setting the 3 parts against each other.

[Boris Godunov]

I've said all along that the only answer was to pre-emptively divide the 3 parts and screw the notion of "Iraq." Why adhere to Brit-mandated map lines that had no bearing on cultural reality, anyway?

[MrFun]

Because Bush and other top officials of United States are ignorant about Iraq's history, Boris.

[Commy]

Originally posted by Bosh The Daily Show?

At least he's honest...it was funny, they had Bush saying "Diplomacy with the United States is not an -either -or situation."

Three months early, before the war, Bush was quoted saying...

"Either you're with us, or you're against us."

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Originally posted by MrFun
Because Bush and other top officials of United States are ignorant about Iraq's history, Boris.

One of the more heroic moments during the headlong rush into Gulf War I was when politicians were blathering on about the integrity of Kuwait's borders and Daniel Patrick Moynihan responded with something like (I wish I could find the exact quote), "Oh yes, the integrity of borders made up out of whole cloth by a handful of British colonial officers using inaccurate maps."

Moynihan

[Imran Siddiqui]

Moynihan (one of the original neo-conservatives, btw )

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Moynihan (one of the original neo-conservatives, btw )

Or one of the original neo-liberals. Moynihan was just plain original, and never seemed to let ideology get in the way of reasoned argument. That's pretty much the opposite of all of our national politicians today, of any bent.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Well he did work for Nixon, so we can claim him by evil taint .

[Bosh]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui




You. Can't. Be. Serious!

You thought I was serious?

Jon Stewart PWNZ Imran!

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Well he did work for Nixon, so we can claim him by evil taint .

Nixon was more liberal than every president who followed him, including Carter and Clinton. He was also a complete believer in realpolitik, which neo-conservatives seem never to have heard of.

[Bosh]

Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly


Nixon was more liberal than every president who followed him, including Carter and Clinton.

Except for the whole being evil thing, Nixon wasn't too bad.

[Lung]

Irrespective of the reasons for going to war in the first place, the worst thing the Yanks can do is to be seen to have been chased out of Iraq. Now that they're there, they have to be in it for the long haul.

Certainly, the insurgency is continuing unabated, but the truth still remains - you can't win popularity contests by killing everyone. The fact that they have become indiscriminate in their killings means that politically, they are losing. The only way for them to win is for the US to leave hastily.

Of course, this remains the incentive for the insurgents to keep killing people, but for the Yanks to pull out to quickly qould be disasterous. The lunatics will end up running the asylum, and it will embolden fanatics everywhere

The way to win is to marginalise the insurgents and humiliate them in the eyes of their peers by defeating them and throwing them in gaol, rendering them impotent.

The alternative is to see them claim victory, and claim the future of the middle east, away from the brink of democracy and back towards oppression.

[Drake Tungsten]

Funny how the same people who screeched that the anti-Soddom war was the best thing ever are now the same people who now hate it!

Hilarious.

Agreed.

Max, my unsolicited advice is to leave em alone when they're Bush bashing and policy hating. Eventually they have a group liberal orgasm of sorts and the thread then dies and goes away and I picture them puffing on a smoke fully satisfied with themselves. Which is good I suppose, I really like these guys and nothing said here really means anything anyway.

Belgravia Dispatch.

[Drake Tungsten]

Originally posted by Lung
Irrespective of the reasons for going to war in the first place, the worst thing the Yanks can do is to be seen to have been chased out of Iraq. Now that they're there, they have to be in it for the long haul.

Certainly, the insurgency is continuing unabated, but the truth still remains - you can't win popularity contests by killing everyone. The fact that they have become indiscriminate in their killings means that politically, they are losing. The only way for them to win is for the US to leave hastily.

Of course, this remains the incentive for the insurgents to keep killing people, but for the Yanks to pull out to quickly qould be disasterous. The lunatics will end up running the asylum, and it will embolden fanatics everywhere

The way to win is to marginalise the insurgents and humiliate them in the eyes of their peers by defeating them and throwing them in gaol, rendering them impotent.

The alternative is to see them claim victory, and claim the future of the middle east, away from the brink of democracy and back towards oppression.

Great post.