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  • #76
    Originally posted by Vince278
    Sure I do. However, how many Ukranians did he kill? How does Nixon compare to Stalin? (This ought to be good...)

    How many Chileans ?

    I wouldn't have thought that the point was 'how many' but 'why' .

    What on earth was the United States doing interfering in the democratic process of a sovereign nation ?

    Simply following the precedent set in Guatemala in the 1950s ?
    Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.

    ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
      You are the king of not getting simple concepts aren't you (or what the debate is about, for that matter)?
      King or Deity, it makes no difference. Besides, only people who are losing a debate resort to personal comments such as these.

      Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
      Do you think that if Nixon was in Stalin's position that he would be less paranoid than Stalin was?
      Faulty logic. Nixon wasn't even in Stalin's league. Apples and oranges.
      "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
      "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
      2004 Presidential Candidate
      2008 Presidential Candidate (for what its worth)

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      • #78
        Sorry, my shift's over. Gotta go.
        "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
        "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
        2004 Presidential Candidate
        2008 Presidential Candidate (for what its worth)

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        • #79
          Originally posted by techumseh
          Did nukes prevent WWIII? Certainly the aquisition of the A-bomb by the USSR did restrain the US and it's European allies. There is no evidence that the USSR planned to attack the west in the face of a US nuclear monopoly, or later. On the other hand, it was the US monopoly of nuclear weapons which allowed the Pentagon to dream of a war of aggression against the Soviets.
          Actually, I'd like you to back this up. What WERE all these Guards and Shock armies doing in East Germany anyway? And WHY was the whole naval strategy of USSR bent on preventing NATO convoys completing REFORGER? And WHY was NATO naval strategy bent on preventing USSR from preventing REFORGER?

          Also, got any NATO OOB's in Germany 1960-1985? matching ones from Warsaw Pact?
          Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
          Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb !
          Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.

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          • #80
            Slow day at the bank Saras?

            The Rooskite mennace had 20 divisions in East Germany, 20 in Poland, 10 or so in Czechoslovakia...

            The US had me and MtG, and that's about it. Diss in a submarine somewhere, JT doin something or other...etc

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Lancer
              Slow day at the bank Saras?

              The Rooskite mennace had 20 divisions in East Germany, 20 in Poland, 10 or so in Czechoslovakia...

              The US had me and MtG, and that's about it. Diss in a submarine somewhere, JT doin something or other...etc

              It's SATURDAY

              Seriously, anyone have reliable OOB's for NATO in West Germany 1960 - 1985?
              Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
              Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb !
              Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.

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              • #82
                TEH EVIL CZECHS!!!

                Publications
                http://www.isn.ethz.ch/php/documents/collection_1/docs/warplan1-engl.htm
                The Center's publications make a significant research contribution in the field of security and strategic studies, while at the same time fostering public debate on Swiss and international security policy.
                Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
                Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb !
                Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.

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                • #83
                  orbat.com
                  http://orbat.com/site/history/historical/nato/warsawpact.html
                  This domain may be for sale!


                  I think I can get some more...
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                  • #84
                    I found that one; but that's WP, I need NATO. I found this for 1967:

                    Publications
                    http://www.isn.ethz.ch/php/documents/collection_7/docs/nbb44_part1.pdf
                    The Center's publications make a significant research contribution in the field of security and strategic studies, while at the same time fostering public debate on Swiss and international security policy.
                    Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
                    Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb !
                    Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Lancer
                      The US had me and MtG, and that's about it. Diss in a submarine somewhere, JT doin something or other...etc
                      I was in West Germany in 1985 (doing airmobile comm).
                      "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
                      "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
                      2004 Presidential Candidate
                      2008 Presidential Candidate (for what its worth)

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                      • #86
                        Publications
                        http://www.isn.ethz.ch/php/documents/collection_7/docs/nbb55.pdf
                        The Center's publications make a significant research contribution in the field of security and strategic studies, while at the same time fostering public debate on Swiss and international security policy.


                        This one has a table on page 13 that looks like what's needed.
                        Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
                        Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb !
                        Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.

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                        • #87
                          Nine days to Antwerp?

                          Publications
                          http://www.isn.ethz.ch/php/documents/collection_7/docs/nbb1.pdf
                          The Center's publications make a significant research contribution in the field of security and strategic studies, while at the same time fostering public debate on Swiss and international security policy.
                          Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
                          Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb !
                          Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.

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                          • #88
                            Vince, shheeesh! If I tell these guys there were three of us they'll know we were ready to invade, eh?



                            ...a winks' as good as a nod to a deaf monkey...

                            ...actually how does that saying go?

                            Saras, what are you doing with this stuff, making an scn?
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                            • #89
                              The US also has plans to invade Canada.

                              Just because the Soviets had a plan to invade Western Europe it means nothing.
                              (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                              (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                              (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Urban Ranger
                                Just because the Soviets had a plan to invade Western Europe it means nothing.
                                Oh, I also assume US has 10 armored divisions poised to take what needed to be taken in 1776-1812?

                                Get a grip.
                                Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
                                Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb !
                                Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.

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