Hypothetical: you die and go to hell for all eternity

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by molly bloom



" Hell hath no limits, nor is circumscrib'd,
In one selfe place: but where we are is hell,
And where hell is there must we euer be. "

Mephistopheles, from 'The Tragical History of Dr. Faustus'
by Christopher Marlowe

errrrrr.........This line is spoken by Mephistopheles, so yes, hell is literally wherever he and his buds are.

[Bereta_Eder]

in a world of non stopping changes at least hell would be something constant

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


I gather Hell is infinitely large. So any finite amount of emotions going into infinity is... nothing. Hell should be freezing.

Ummm, no, at least not according to the following two proofs (got them from my union newspaper and they got them from readers).

Applied Optics vol. 11, A14, 1972

The temperature of Heaven can be rather accurately computed. Our authority is Isaiah 30:26, Moreover, the light of the Moon shall be as the light of the Sun and the light of the Sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days.

Thus Heaven receives from the Moon as much radiation as we do from the Sun, and in addition 7 x 7 (49) times as much as the Earth does from the Sun, or 50 times in all. The light we re ceive from the Moon is one 1/10,000 of the light we receive from the Sun, so we can ignore that... The radiation falling on Heaven will heat it to the point where the heat lost by radiation is just equal to the heat received by radiation, i.e., Heaven loses 50 times as much heat as the Earth by radiation. Using the Stefan-Boltzmann law for radiation, (H/E)^4 = 50, where E is the absolute temperature of the earth (300oK), gives H as 798oK (525oC). The exact temperature of Hell cannot be computed... [How ever] Revelations 2:18 says "But the fearful, and unbelieving... shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone." A lake of molten brimstone means that its temperature must be at or below the boiling point, 444.6oC. We have, then, that Heaven, at 525oC is hotter than Hell at 445oC."

Till Hell Freezes Over A thermodynamics professor had written a take home exam for his graduate students. It had one question: "Is hell exother mic or endothermic? Support your answer with a proof". Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's law or some variant. One student, however wrote the following:

First, we postulate that if souls exist, then they must have some mass. If they do, then a mole of souls can also have a mass. So, at what rate are souls moving into hell and at what rate are souls leaving? I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to hell, it will not leave. Therefore no souls are leaving. As for souls entering hell, lets look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Some of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to hell. Since there are more than one of these religions and people do not be long to more than one religion, we can project that all people and all souls go to hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of changes in volume in hell. Boyle's law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in hell to stay the same, the ratio of mass of souls and volume needs to stay constant. 1) So, if hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter hell, then the temperature and pressure in hell will increase until all hell breaks loose. 2) Of course, if hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until hell freezes over. So which is it? If we accept the postulate given to me by Therese Banyan during Freshman year at the university, "that it will be a cold night in hell before I sleep with you", and take into account the fact that I still have not succeeded in having sexu al relations with her, then 2) cannot be true, and hell is exothermic.

[Urban Ranger]

Yes, but what did the student get in his exam?

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Yes, but what did the student get in his exam?

According to this :

http://www.windsofchange.net/archives/004911.php

THIS STUDENT RECEIVED THE ONLY "A."

[loinburger]

According to Snopes, "the purported student's opening gambit, 'We postulate that if souls exist, then they must have some mass,' stands in opposition to the position taken centuries ago by the Roman Catholic Church."

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove

errrrrr.........This line is spoken by Mephistopheles, so yes, hell is literally wherever he and his buds are.

Yes I know it's spoken by Mephistopheles- I quoted it.

The point is, who is he speaking to, and where are they located ?

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by BeBro
But what if they agree?

I'd, of course, argue whatever side they didn't subscribe to.

[DerSchwarzfalke]

Nice, Molly Bloom, I just finished reading Doctor Faustus. I did not particular care for it -- Marlowe in general has been a disappointment -- but the chunk of your quote is the one I remember particularly noting. At the moment, I am working my way through Goethe's significantly more complex Faust.

As for Hell, the most popular modern definition of it is the feeling of complete, total, despairing depression because of your absence from God. The torture is not a demon shoving flaming pitchforks into your sphincter; the torture is knowing that you will never know God again. It is kind of hard to "roll with the punches" in that context."

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by DerSchwarzfalke
Nice, Molly Bloom, I just finished reading Doctor Faustus. I did not particular care for it -- Marlowe in general has been a disappointment -- but the chunk of your quote is the one I remember particularly noting. At the moment, I am working my way through Goethe's significantly more complex Faust.

As for Hell, the most popular modern definition of it is the feeling of complete, total, despairing depression because of your absence from God. The torture is not a demon shoving flaming pitchforks into your sphincter; the torture is knowing that you will never know God again. It is kind of hard to "roll with the punches" in that context."

I like Marlowe's 'Edward II'- it's similar in some respects to Shakespeare's 'Richard II' . I also enjoyed 'The Jew of Malta', which I think would make a good film if given the Anthony Hopkins 'Titus Andronicus' treatment. It'd be bound to offend everyone- Jews, Muslims, Christians.

I did enjoy seeing Marlowe's 'Dr. Faustus' performed, but I suppose one problem resides in having texts that are incomplete- and as you say, it's not really as psychologically or philosophically complex as Goethe's 'Faust' . I do remember some elderly German women tourists in the audience behind me at the performance, who must have had a shock when the 7 Deadly Sins came on dressed in jockstraps.

It was an all-male production, with a very androgynous Helen of Troy....


The other quotes I remember are:

"See, see where Christ's blood streams in the firmament!
One drop would save my soul—half a drop! ah, my Christ!"

and:


"Was this the face that launched a thousand ships,
And burnt the topless towers of Ilium?
Sweet Helen, make me immortal with a kiss. "

But definitely I'd say Webster or Middleton give better value for money.

[MosesPresley]

If you can get into Hell, you can get out. And since you have all of eternity, I am sure you have the time to figure out a plan.

[bipolarbear]

I think the whole idea behind it being hell is that you can't "sit back and roll with the punches". It's hell its supposed to be suffering, adn miserable, and painful, and eternal (unless you're the son of god then you get three days of active duty and then you kind of run off somewhere).

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Japher
I'll be fine in hell

I think they are expecting me

stupid

According to the Pope, they're expecting me too.

[bipolarbear]

According to the Pope, they're expecting me too.

Don't forget Jerry Falwell and his little Goof Troop of followers.

[Ted Striker]

"Goof Troop"