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[mactbone]

I'd like to be in a league with teams, but if both use defensive players then I'm okay with that. I'm also curious when/if I'll getting information on how to join the league.

[Berzerker]

Wow, lots of interest here. I think we may get 2 12 team leagues.

As for differences, last year my league had a WR/RB utility spot and 3 defensive players and Imran's league was team defense with no utility player. Can't think of much else, but I believe Zopper uses a utility spot. Dont know about the defense, but we can see if too many people object to a 3 man defense. Oh yeah, Imran's league may not have awarded points for kick return yardage

If we do have a league with 3 guys on D I advise people to really examine the scoring categories for defenders. Most of the NFL use DBs to return kicks and that counts under last year's settings. But usually the LBs, especially middle, score the most and do so consistently.

This is a list of prefs for this page, not the first.

One league

Stuie
Sloth
Jonny
Jaguar (Z)
Donegeal
Reismark (Z) - assuming team defense
mactbone

unknown

Dissident
Kidicious
Supersneak


two leagues

Slowhand
Berzerker
Imran
GRamsey
Kalius
Tuberski

Looks like several people dont like 3 man defenses.

Here are the settings we had last year (as I remember) and which I'm fine with:

QB
WR
WR
RB
RB
TE
WR/RB
K

D
D
D

and I prefer pretty deep benches and Imran likes them small (he's a sadist), dont know about Zopper though.

Can't remember all the scoring categories, but I know kick return yardage was a difference.

Did we score rushing yards differently or was that FFZ? I think we both agreed to modify the RBs a bit cuz WRs and QBs scored better. 1 point for 10 yds in one league and 1 point for 15 yds in the other instead of the usual 20 yds.

Imran, do you think that turned out good? I did and would propose doing the same this year. At least bump RBs up to 1 point for 15 yds...

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I think I(mran's league didn't reward QBs for completions. Thats a big difference since that can result in ~20-30 points in a week.

[duke o' york]

I'd prefer a team defense, but am really not that bothered.

[Zopperoni]

Berz,

I'd actually be very comfortable with playing this FFZ style. I think the structure is solid, and based on suggestions made there at the end of the seasion, we should be able to use a good structure.

I don't think we can do big rosters though, unless we set 12-hr time limits on people's picks.

[snoopy369]

I'm in, but I'd like a team defense.

How about an auction draft? They are fantastic for baseball, but also work interestingly for football ... they often allow for ultimately better teams on all sides, as you aren't forced to take a player you don't like just because of your draft spot.

For Forums, the easiest way to do it is for each of us to start a thread with our first player nominated, and all of those 1st nominations are bid on simultaneously, with a 3-4 day time limit. Then we choose our second player each to nominate, and all bid on them ... etc. As it gets further into the auction, you can lower the time limits (as choosing who to bid your $2 on isn't very hard. )

With a 15 player team, for example, you'd start with $300, average of $20 a player, and bid away.

[snoopy369]

I'll play one or both leagues, as well.

Can we get the settings listed here? I don't know what FFZ is.

I expect something like:
Passing Yards: 1pt/50 yards
Passind TDs: 6 pts
Rushing Yards: 1pt/20 yards
Rushing TDs: 6 pts
Receiving Yards: 1pt/20 yards
Receiving TDs: 6 pts
FG made: 3..5 points based on length (<39, 40-49, 50+)
EP made: 1 pt
Assuming Team Defense:
10..-5 points based on points allowed
Int/FR: 2pts
TD: 6 pts
Sack: 1 pt
Safety: 2 pts


Also common:
Pass Completion: 1 pt
Carry: 1 pt
Catch: 1 pt
First Down: 1 pt

etc.

Which of these options are we using for scoring, and what point values (these are close to if not at Yahoo standard point values)?

[Zopperoni]

We can't do an auction with the Yahoo system. You're close with the scoring variables and multipliers.

We're doing 1 pt per 10 yds rushing to balance RBs and WRs. Moreover, I think we deducted points for lost fumbles, interceptions thrown, and incomplete passes.

[snoopy369]

rebalance RBs and WRs?? As of when do RBs need *more* points?

And yes, lost fumbles/int's is fine .. don't think we need incomplete passes though, that makes the QB even less valuable.

We can do the auction if we don't use Yahoo's draft. I was assuming we weren't going to anyway, as that would require us all to be on at the same time ... can just use the fora to do the auction/draft/whatever over a month, and then install the players directly to Yahoo. (I've done this before.)

[Zopperoni]

Well, the RB/WR balance is really good. With 1 pt per 20 yds, an RB who runs 100 yds will only get 5 pts while he played a great game. That's too little.

QBs are good value already. We did 1 pt per completion and .5 pt deduction per incompletion last year. It reflects a good vs a bad day pretty well.

I am not changing the draft system (and I don't think Berz will either). It'll be a slow draft starting somewhere in the week of July 4th.

[Koyaanisqatsi]

I'll join the team D league.

[Berzerker]

Yup, RBs are screwed if all they do is pile up yards with no TD. A WR goes 5 catches for 100 yds and he gets 10 points, a QB throws for 100 yds with 5 completions and he gets 10 points, a RB goes for 100 and he gets 5 points when in fact he was the more dominating player of the three. I think 1 point per 10 rushing yards is appropriate but I'll be happy with 1 per 15 yds if people object.

Last year Imran went with 1 pt per 10 yd and I went with 1 pt per 15 yds and I think it went well. I dont care much if we go with 10 or 15 yds per point.

One league

Stuie
Sloth
Jonny
Jaguar (Z)
Donegeal
Reismark (Z) - assuming team defense
mactbone
Duke o York (will play either if needed)
Snoopy
dv8ed

unknown

Dissident
Kidicious
Supersneak


two leagues

Slowhand
Berzerker
Imran
GRamsey
Kalius
Tuberski

Okay, I'm thinking we need to divide up these people who want in 1 league so the people who want to play both leagues can. We may need to make both leagues team defense though since quite a few single leaguers prefer it over 3 man defenses.

Can someone get into the yahoo settings to post all the scoring/setting options here or will we have to create a league first? I'm thinking the 2 leagues will be very similar if we go with team defenses.

Another thing, one of the leagues didn't reward QBs for completions and that has its merits since QBs are so dominant. Completions tempered by a .5 pt reduction for incompletions is a good compromise.

[Zopperoni]

Do we need people playing two leagues? I was under the impression that the two-league players were only there to fill up empty slots.

We have twenty people who are willing to play, and that'll be sufficient for two ten-man leagues.

I'll look up all the scoring vars.

[Berzerker]

Some people myself included want to play 2 leagues so we'll just have to see how many open spots we have. Of course, our ability to play 2 leagues depends on those open spots. if we have to give up on playing 2 leagues so everyone can get in at least 1 league, so be it...

[Zopperoni]

Offensive Categories (max. 15)
Passing Touchdowns (Pass TD)
Interceptions (Int)
Passing Attempts (Pass Att)
Completions (Comp)
Incomplete Passes (Inc)
Sacks (Sack)
Passing Yards (Pass Yds)

Rushing Touchdowns (Rush TD)
Rushing Attempts (Rush Att)
Rushing Yards (Rush Yds)

Reception Touchdowns (Rec TD)
Receptions (Rec)
Reception Yards (Rec Yds)

Return Touchdowns (Ret TD)
Return Yards (Ret Yds)
Offensive Fumble Return TD (Fum Ret TD)

2-Point Conversions (2-PT)
Fumbles (Fum)
Fumbles Lost (Fum Lost)


Kickers
Field Goal (FG)
Missed Field Goal (FGM)
Point After Attempt Made (PAT Made)
Point After Attempt Missed (PAT Miss)


Defense
Tackle Solo (Tack Solo)
Tackle Assist (Tack Ast)
Sack (Sack)
Interception (Int)
Fumble Force (Fum Force)
Fumble Recovery (Fum Rec)
Touchdown (TD)
Safety (Safe)
Pass Defended (Pass Def)
Block Kick (Blk Kick)

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by reismark
If we're taking opinions on the "defensive teams" v. "defensive players" issue, I prefer teams, and would prefer to be in a league using teams rather than players if that's how the two leagues break down (to one of each).

That is what I was trying to say in my earlier post. I'd prefer team defense, but if NEEDED, then I guess I could do two.