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What is the Socialist Party for those of us who don't understand Swedish?
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The working class may be defeated temporarily, but it can never be permanently defeated, since capitalism needs a working class. Some day we will be victorious.
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Originally posted by Dr Zoidberg
The thing that pushed me over the edge was when we had a discussion about participation in the swedish general elections next year and the arguments were exactly the same as the last three times we discussed that matter, and by exactly the same people. I just felt like we were three demented parrots repeating phrases over and over again... And when one of these comrades questioned my credibility and said that I didn´t work hard enough to be allowed to have an opinion on political matters I thought "**** it! I don´t need this
This happens on Apolyton Off-Topic too, with just about any issue. But I'm glad you haven't decided to leave us because of this.
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
The working class may be defeated temporarily, but it can never be permanently defeated, since capitalism needs a working class. Some day we will be victorious.
"the peasant class may be defeated temporarilly, but it can never be permanently defeated, since feudalism needs a peasant class. Some day we will be victorious"
As Marx understood, but some others do not, relationships of production DO change through history.
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Yes they do, but can you conceive of capitalism without workers?
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Yes they do, but can you conceive of capitalism without workers?
I can conceive of lots of potential changes in the structure of the labor market. In particular what we have seen is some shift from permanent employment to a "free lance society". In come cases said free lancer has her own capital, at least a computer, in other cases not. There is great variety in the bargaining position, wage level, skill level, etc of said free lancers. There are also a variety of contracting and subcontracting relationships, with different degrees of permanence.
And thats just what I can can conceive, looking at what already exists. Undoubtedly there will be things that will take place that are as inconceivable to me as a Ford Motors assembly line was to the peasants of 16th century England, or as a 1760s cotton mill was to a Roman slave. (in this sense I am with Hegel, more than Marx - "the owl of Minerva sings at dusk")
I am just enough of a Marxist to think that such changes will have an impact on the structure of society, on social and political relations, etc.
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Yes they do, but can you conceive of capitalism without workers?
can you conceive of feudalism without peasants? I think youre missing my point.
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
If you're positing that capitalism will cease being capitalism, well fine, but that doesn't address the central issue of workers oppression in capitalism and how to be rid of it. Capitalism won't evolve away. It will other be overthrown or it will collapse.
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Feudalism was overthrown, lotm.
Not by the class that it exploited, the peasantry. (other than in China)
Rather it generated, through its own development, NEW modes of production, with new class relations. The new modes became dominant. In most societies these new modes then eliminated feudalism (though in some places, like Latin America, they seemed fairly compatible with it for quite some time).
Thats the likely future of capitalism. It will generate new modes with new class relations which will become dominant. Will the class that dominates these new modes turn and kill off the remnants of capitalism, as the remnants of feudalism were killed off? Im not enough of a Marxist to be sure of that - indeed I think theres a great deal of complexity and contingency to how feudalism was killed off.
Indeed, I think realistically, that we've already had changes in the mode of production. We've discussed this before, but i think managerial capitalism is fundamentally different, and generates different social relations, than the entrepreneurial capitalism of Marxist times did, even if the relationships of workers to production was analagous (Again, im not a good Marxist for beleiving that) What we have today (in the US) is a mix of managerial capitalism, some apparent revival of the old entrepreneurial capitalism, and an evolving "free lance" sector that in many ways resembles the class relations of preindustrial and even precapitalist craftsmanship - one even hears the term "journeyman" and many freelancers resemble journeymen more than they do a 19th century labor force.
Of course no one uses the term master. Wouldnt sound right. And the relationships among subcontractors, contractors, etc would not be completely foreign to a medieval city, with its competing craft interests.
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
Originally posted by lord of the mark
I can conceive of lots of potential changes in the structure of the labor market. In particular what we have seen is some shift from permanent employment to a "free lance society". In come cases said free lancer has her own capital, at least a computer, in other cases not. There is great variety in the bargaining position, wage level, skill level, etc of said free lancers. There are also a variety of contracting and subcontracting relationships, with different degrees of permanence.
I don't think we have a free lance society right now, but we seem to be moving in that direction. It is possible for little people to get negotiating power right now if they are smart, but whether or not that can happen for most people is very questionable. Inevitably the more people who do this the more competition there will be for free lancers, and their negotiating power will fall. The way that corporations have been able to maintain their rate of profit is avoiding competition. Avoidance of competition is what keeps capitalism functioning, and right now the movement to freelance work is part of that, but for how long?
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IIU Marx correctly, he understood quite well that feudalism was not overhrown by the class it exploited. He posited that the case of capitalism would be different because A: the working class would be by its nature more class conscious and more revolutionary thant the peasants B: The nature of capitilist economy would mean a kind of impoverishment that would make revolution inevitable and C: the nature of capitalist economy would reduce the distinctions within the working class, making revolution more likely
Ergo a revolution against exploitation PER SE would take place BEFORE capitalism evolved into something else.
Well A is arguable - the working class may be more class conscious than the peasantry, but as Dr Z has discussed even in a place with a working class as class conscious as Sweden, its still not commited to revolutionary consciousness. B - has caused spinning by Marxists for the last hundred years - from impoverisment postponed by imperialism to the notion that impoverishment is based on socially relative standards. Its time for a copernican revolution - an acknowledgement that this impoverishment dynamic isnt in the cards, and wont drive revolution. C seems to me undeniably wrong. The social history of advanced capitalist societies the last hundred years has NOT erased socials distinctions among non-capitalist, but has vastly increased them, as society grows more
complex.
Ergo, capitalism is more likely to be replaced by a new mode of production - a new mode of exploitation, if you prefer - than by a revolution of the kind Marx envisioned.
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
Originally posted by chegitz guevara
The working class may be defeated temporarily, but it can never be permanently defeated, since capitalism needs a working class. Some day we will be victorious.
and yet you're never victorious...
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