Gov. Perry of Texas to gay veterans: Don't come home.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by MrFun
Nope, that wasn't my point.

I know that wasn't your point. However, it is the logical conclusion of your argument. The fact that your own arguments stand against you says something...

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by MrFun
yada yada yada

Those are not political bases. Your political base is gays and liberals. Together these two groups probably constitute about 20% of American society. In addition, there's another 20+% who think gays should be allowed to marry, but don't really care, and can't be arsed to do anything about it. Opposed are some 50+% of the population who are opposed some vehmently.

You don't have the Feds on your side. You don't have the Church on your side. You don't have international pressure on your side. You don't have the Courts on your side.

Unless we see some major radicalization in the next decade or so, which not beyond the realm of possibility, after all the 50s gave us the 60s, not only is nothing going to change, but things could very well get worse. There is sufficient support in the U.S. for a Constitutional Amendment prohibiting gay marriage.

[MrFun]

Not really -- since a civil war would not be justified given that gays do not suffer from discrimination or repression the par that blacks have suffered.



EDIT: cross posting

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Last Conformist
I must admit that the prospect of a few million bible-belters killed isn't entirely unattractive.

Unfortunately, not only are they the ones with guns, they are also the ones who know how to use guns and are willing to kill.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Those are not political bases. Your political base is gays and liberals. Together these two groups probably constitute about 20% of American society. In addition, there's another 20+% who think gays should be allowed to marry, but don't really care, and can't be arsed to do anything about it. Opposed are some 50+% of the population who are opposed some vehmently.

You don't have the Feds on your side. You don't have the Church on your side. You don't have international pressure on your side. You don't have the Courts on your side.

Unless we see some major radicalization in the next decade or so, which not beyond the realm of possibility, after all the 50s gave us the 60s, not only is nothing going to change, but things could very well get worse. There is sufficient support in the U.S. for a Constitutional Amendment prohibiting gay marriage.

Actually, we do have several religious-based organizations, and a few religious denominations who sympathize with our cause.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by MrFun
Not really -- since a civil war would not be justified given that gays do not suffer from discrimination or repression the par that blacks have suffered.

That is my point, that frankly, I wouldn't consider any violence worth gay marriage. However, by your argument such would be necessary to achieve it.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by MrFun
Actually, we do have several religious-based organizations, and a few religious denominations who sympathize with our cause.

Right, liberals. Aside from the Unitarians, what major church is with you?

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Unfortunately, not only are they the ones with guns, they are also the ones who know how to use guns and are willing to kill.

If you're refering to guns in civilian hands, they don't matter.

If you're refering to a Southern dominance in the army (I seem to recall hearing of one), that's a bother.

[MrFun]

Some Episcopalian churches are sympathetic, although thid did create a split among Episcopalians with the conservative churches turning away in disgust.


EDIT: another cross post

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Last Conformist

If you're refering to guns in civilian hands, they don't matter.

If you're refering to a Southern dominance in the army (I seem to recall hearing of one), that's a bother.

Not so much, though, given that the North has all the nukes

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


Not so much, though, given that the North has all the nukes

I always thought Atlanta looked like a nice place for a radioactive crater.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Last Conformist
I must admit that the prospect of a few million bible-belters killed isn't entirely unattractive.

They most likely have a considerable degree more shootin' hardware and an even more considerable degree of proficiency in the use thereof than do libruls and other such sorts. Not to mention a disproportionately higher representation in military service.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


Not so much, though, given that the North has all the nukes

Crewed by southerners.

[chequita guevara]

Atlanta is very liberal, actually. It's the rest of Georgia that's scary.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

They most likely have a considerable degree more shootin' hardware and an even more considerable degree of proficiency in the use thereof than do libruls and other such sorts. Not to mention a disproportionately higher representation in military service.

riiiiight. thats why they beat us the last time around in the 60s right? (1860s that is) and you would have to deal with the black and minority southerns in your back yard who wouldnt mind taking some revenge on da masta for over a century of repression.