In case you forgot....

[mrmitchell]

Taxes are Evil (so is Big Government)

Government itself is just an idea. It is what we make of it.

Gays should marry eachother if they want, and be able adopt, and also join the military.

Agreed

Heinous Criminals should be executed.

"Thou shalt not kill"

Legalize all drugs.

Legalize some drugs.

Gun control, NO!

Not gun control. Just gun registration and gun safety.

God (probably) does not exist.

God exists.

Abraham Lincoln, FDR, were in fact, *terrible* presidents...

Abraham Lincoln was a terrible President.

FDR was our greatest President. (Even moreso than Clinton. OTOH if Clinton could have had 4 terms he would've been just as good too)

[Alex]

0.1/10

[ajbera]

Originally posted by DeathByTheSword
why was the new deal a misdeed? (genuine question here)

Governmental "interference" with the economy, and paved the way for the government "welfare state" (I use quotes because some folks feel economic interference and government aid are necessary, whereas some don't.) For a libertarian take on the New Deal, see here.

[Urban Ranger]

Re: In case you forgot....

Taxes are neither good nor bad
Homosexuals should be treated like heterosexuals
Heinous criminals should be rehabilitated, or locked up if that is not possible (such as psychopaths)
Legalise all drugs and regulate them tightly
Guns should be controlled strictly
God does not exist
Creationists are nutty

[Agathon]

Originally posted by ajbera

Governmental "interference" with the economy, and paved the way for the government "welfare state" (I use quotes because some folks feel economic interference and government aid are necessary, whereas some don't.) For a libertarian take on the New Deal, see here.

The day that libertarians realize that taxes are just the most efficient way that we pay for stuff we need, is the day that Libertarianism has a chance of being a realistic political platform.

[MrFun]

Re: Re: Re: In case you forgot....

Originally posted by ajbera


Many consider their "misdeeds" (suspension of habeas corpus on Lincoln's part, the New Deal on FDR's part) to be evils. I'm inclined to think they were the wrong things done for noble reasons, but doing something bad for a good reason doesn't necessarily make it good. Still, sometimes you have to break the rules and just accept the consequences.

Most of us have enough decency to recognize the perversity and evilness of what Nazi Germany was. We do not praise the legacy of Hitler for defending the sovreignty and the rights of Germany because of the inhumane crimes he committed.

Same goes with the Confederacy at a much lesser degree but unfortunately, some otherwise-intelligent people still believe in the Lost Cause myth. They believe that the Confederacy represented the principles on which United States was founded.

Generally, historians strongly disagree with this popular culture conception of the Lost Cause myth. The reason is that it can be demonstrated through arguments backed by primary sources, that the Founding Fathers believed in the equality of all men (all men are created equal). However, the Founding Fathers did not have the power or capability to abolish slavery at the time and they never saw slavery as a positive good. They saw it as a necessary evil that they hope at some point of time, that it could be abolished.

From the 1840s up to the end of the Civil War, a growing number of white Southerners began to assert that slavery was a positive good -- not a necessary evil. They also ignored the premise "all men are created equal" that was asserted by slaveholders such as Thomas Jefferson. Southern seccesionists were the antithetical to the idea and principle of human equality and liberty.

Abraham Lincoln knew what he was talking about, when he asserted in the 1850s that black people had as much of a right to eat the bread that they earn with their own hands as any white person ought to have that right. He knew that slaveholders during the late Enlightenment, such as Thomas Jefferson, did not see slavery as a positive good. However, Abraham Lincoln was also a masterful politician -- he had to argue for basic, human rights rather than equal political rights when speaking to audiences in the North in the 1850s. Most of his listeners in the North could not seriously protest that blacks were entitled to the same basic human right of eating what they earn even if they would protest enfranchising blacks in terms of political equality.

There are two fundamental distortions that go with the Lost Cause myth. One, that it was impossible for white Americans in the antebellum years to see blacks as human beings -- Lost Cause advocates depreciate the human capacity for justice and fairness. Second, Lost Cause advocates distort history by ignoring not only what caused the Civil War, but also by claiming that the Confederacy represented a cause for liberty when in fact, it was the opposite -- they were for the cause of racial despotism.

[alva]

Re: Re: In case you forgot....

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Taxes are neither good nor bad
Homosexuals should be treated like heterosexuals
Heinous criminals should be rehabilitated, or locked up if that is not possible (such as psychopaths)
Legalise all drugs and regulate them tightly
Guns should be controlled strictly
God does not exist
Creationists are nutty

I can live with that.

[Frankychan]

Spirituality is good. Religion is bad.

Two lefts don't make a right, but three do.

Silent but deadly usually is.

Pop culture isn't culture.

Eat more fish, less fried foods.

15 minutes a day working out is better than not at all.

Wear a red tie to work once in a while.

Tomato's are good for your prostate.

Tea is better than soda.

Beer kicks a**, but not in excess, less it kicks your a**.

KFC, McDonalds, Taco Bell, Burger King, and Jack in the Box are not the 5 major food groups.

[alva]

Wear a red tie to work once in a while.

Ties should be banned anyway!

[pchang]

"God is dead" - Neitzche
"Neitzche is dead" - God

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by ajbera


Governmental "interference" with the economy, and paved the way for the government "welfare state" (I use quotes because some folks feel economic interference and government aid are necessary, whereas some don't.) For a libertarian take on the New Deal, see here.

And laissez faire economics worked so well for everyone between 1865 to 1929, why would anyone want to change that?

God, I love the liberterrarium.

[MrFun]

And I'm sure you also loved my post.

[Theben]

I think this was a "lookit me, I'm back!" thread, although I can't be too sure. Never could trust that connerkimilSungbro.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

i love libertarianism also - except i believe in anti-trust legislation while most dont

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Theben
I think this was a "lookit me, I'm back!" thread, although I can't be too sure. Never could trust that connerkimilSungbro.

Usually people like to have attention -- whether they want to admit it or not.

But yeah, there does come to a point when a person could become narcisistic or self-centered. In this case, I would say "I'm back" threads are not excessive -- or not narcisistic.

It's just part of human nature to want to be acknowledged -- homo sapiens sapiens are social creatures, after all.