Bolivia on the verge of revolution?

[Agathon]

Oerdin, the two generals responsible for the attempted coup in Venezuela were graduate of the SOTA.

You have to be kidding. You can't seriously believe what you are saying with the mountain of evidence to the contrary.

[GePap]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


It's possible I was wrong about border changes, but the point remains that Peru and Bolivia fought two wars.

A few links to Bolivian history:

http://www.ddg.com/LIS/aurelia/bolhis.htm

Independence was declared in 1825 by an assembly which met in Chuqisaca (Sucre). General Antonio Jose de Sucre, who, in comand of Colombian troops, played a leading role in the defeat of the Spanish garrison, was elected as the first president. The following year a constitution was drawn up by Simon Bolivar and adopted. It was then that the country received the name of Bolivia. A long period of internal struggle and instability followed with dicators, mainly military, ruling the country. Some of these dictators involved themselves in the internal struggles of Peru (in which Chile also intervened), while others struggled to prevent the annexation of Bolivia by Peru. The position of Bolivia's boundaries was uncertain and subject to conflict. However, Bolivian territory extended to the Pacific and included most of the coast of the Atacama desert and the port of Antofagasta.

Here was one crucial player:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%E9s_de_Santa_Cruz

Andrés de Santa Cruz y Calahumana (1792 1865) Served as President of Peru in 1827 and President of Bolivia from 1829 until 1839, where he was elected after the resignation of Antonio José de Sucre. In 1836 he persuaded Peru to unite with Bolivia, and appointed himself Supreme Protector of the Peru-Bolivian Confederacy. However, in February 1839, in part because of internal turmoil and an Expeditionary Force sent by Chile, the confederacy fell apart and Santa Cruz was not able to hold on to power in either nation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agust%EDn_Gamarra

This gentleman, President of Peru before and after Santa Cruz created his confederacy, invaded Bolivia in 1841 but lost.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
I agree, however, that the tiny market was a serious problem. This, I think, was the leg up that the Asian tigers had over Latin America, huge markets. If Latin America could have created a single market for capital investment, it would have been more likely to succeed.

Agreed. Latin America desperately needs a common market because the national markets just aren't big enough to do well on their own.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Agathon
Oerdin, the two generals responsible for the attempted coup in Venezuela were graduate of the SOTA.

You mean people went into a 30 day course as an unreformed militarist, during the course people tried their damnedest to change said militarists' minds, but some years later they continued to have the same old views they held their entire lives? Shocking!

Come on Aggie get that hampster wheel in your head moving. They are trying to change peoples' thinking but the students come from all walks of life and you're not going to convince all of them. Just about every officer in Latin America over the rank of Capitan has been to SotA yet most of them are good people. You might as well try to draw a cause and effect line to the fact they eat bread or drink water because that's about as sound as the trash you've brought up so far.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Oerdin


Agreed. Latin America desperately needs a common market because the national markets just aren't big enough to do well on their own.

Does this mean we don't need to expect anymore neo-liberal dogma?

[Velociryx]

And speaking of dunderheads....

-=Vel=-

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Actually Oerdin, every single development country got that way by raising tariffs and developing domestic industry.

Singapore, Hong Kong, Macao, Taiwan, Malaysia, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Uruguay, Belgium, the Netherlands, and Luxumborg all come to mind as examples of countries which more or less successfully developed/industrialized under a free trade regime.

Next time you use absolute statements please make sure you aren't transparently wrong.

[Kuciwalker]

Australia? Belgium? The Netherlands? Luxembourg? What are you talking about? Those are all Western countries. The first one is just like Canada or the US, it's just a piece of transplanted England. The other three are in Europe.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Oerdin


Singapore, Hong Kong, Macao, Taiwan, Malaysia, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Uruguay, Belgium, the Netherlands, and Luxumborg all come to mind as examples of countries which more or less successfully developed/industrialized under a free trade regime.

I had not thought about those.

[pchang]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Australia? Belgium? The Netherlands? Luxembourg? What are you talking about? Those are all Western countries. The first one is just like Canada or the US, it's just a piece of transplanted England. The other three are in Europe.

So, what does that have to do with the industrializing while pretty much practising free trade.

[Colon™]

Non-European genes are different, hence they require protection.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Kidicious

I had not thought about those.

Don't worry about it. He's wrong on the Asian ones, which had massive state interference in the economy, and the later were free trade during a period when there were only a tiny number of capitalist countries in the world, meaning they had no effective competition.

[Kidlicious]

The Dutch I know manipulated trade, just like the English and the rest of them.

[Dinner]

Alright let's all remember who was cheering this so if there is a revolution and when things go wrong we know who to put on the ignore list. Kid and Aggie seem to be big fans of destroying the Bolivian economy.

Personally, I don't think there will be a revolution since the OAS and Bolivia's neighbors will all push for democratic action and the native groups will have to give up the most absurd demands they've made so far.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Alright let's all remember who was cheering this so if there is a revolution and when things go wrong we know who to put on the ignore list. Kid and Aggie seem to be big fans of destroying the Bolivian economy.

Gee, maybe since there are massive protested there might not be an economy to destroy.