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  • #31
    Originally posted by Japher
    If there weren't any of those govt programs ppl would find ways to fix their own problems without sponging off the govt.
    Sure they would because there wasn't any poverty before govt programs for the poor.
    I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
    - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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    • #32
      Why does quality of life have to be supplied to someone?

      Why can't it be obtained without being donated?

      I don't mind assitance based programs, but ones that just hand out money are absurd, i.e. welfare.
      Monkey!!!

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Japher
        Why does quality of life have to be supplied to someone?
        Because there aren't enough jobs that pay enough.
        I don't mind assitance based programs, but ones that just hand out money are absurd, i.e. welfare.
        Welfare doesn't just hand out money anymore unless you live in a small town, where there are no jobs to even look for.
        I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
        - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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        • #34
          Because there aren't enough jobs that pay enough.
          Monkey!!!

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          • #35
            Do conservatives have some kind of mental disorder or something?

            No, offense to you personally Japher, just your kind.
            I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
            - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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            • #36
              Monkey!!!

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              • #37
                You're an engineer so I know you're smart. Lot's of engineers are conservative, and smart. There can only be one explanation for the fact that they don't understand the simplest facts involving politics.
                I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                • #38
                  Well the problem is that I think many conservatives think that poor people have access to all the same things that most of us do. Which isn't normally the case because their environment is devoid of opportunity and resources.

                  Mixed zoning has started to change this, but many of the "projects" that have become famous are urban nightmares, where people are in fear of their safety more than anything.

                  It's a toxic environment.
                  We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Ted Striker
                    Well the problem is that I think many conservatives think that poor people have access to all the same things that most of us do. Which isn't normally the case because their environment is devoid of opportunity and resources.
                    That's what buses are for Ted. That doesn't change the fact that there aren't enough jobs for everyone. Some people have to go without.
                    I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                    - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Kidicious
                      That doesn't change the fact that there aren't enough jobs for everyone.
                      Why do you say that?

                      There are economies that have full employment rates.
                      Golfing since 67

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                      • #41
                        As mindseye said, I think Thomas Frank has really gotten to the heart of the ultraconservative backlash culture. The idea behind these beliefs is to divorce economics from an analysis of society. Because the corporate economy has by and large co-opted the superficial trappings of counter-culture (new gender roles, multiculturalism, youth rebellion, etc. are embraced in commericials, movies, etc.), an analysis without any economic insight leads to some sort of left wing conspiracy designed by the left wing elites of society to spread leftist ideas. It's all quite remarkable.
                        "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                        -Bokonon

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Kidicious


                          Sure they would because there wasn't any poverty before govt programs for the poor.

                          There was, but they were good poor people.

                          The Vanderbilts and Mellons needed tax breaks. It's so hard to hold a celebration dinner for your dog when you're only super rich.

                          One man gave a dinner for his dog, and presented him with a diamond collar worth $15,000.

                          Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.

                          ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Tingkai


                            Why do you say that?

                            There are economies that have full employment rates.
                            Yes, but we aren't talking about socialism here.
                            Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by ajbera
                              Before anyone starts on the old "conservatives want the poor to starve" crap, recognize that conservatives believe in helping the disadvantaged, it's just not the government that's supposed to be doing the helping. If you're in trouble, you shouldn't go to the government for assistance, go to (1) your family, (2) your church, (3) get private monies from a donation-sponsored source.
                              You know what poor people did before the modern era? They starved and ended up either stealing food, begging on the street, or dead.
                              meet the new boss, same as the old boss

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                              • #45
                                And they still do in countries where they don't have government welfare.
                                Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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