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    Free Software advancing : First GPL game released , Winamp and Milkdrop freed

    Two links I came across on Slashdot . In the first , we have the news that a fully GPL licensed game is being released for Linux , Windows , and soon for the Mac ( with apologies to Agathorn ) . Imagine the moddability . . . . . . .

    The second is that Winamp AVS and Milkdrop are being BSD licensed by AOL .

    Both , I think , will have a huge impact on their respective industries .

    Is the tide of free software unstoppable ?

    AOL BSDing Winamp AVS and Milkdrop

    Fully GPLd game website

    Download Link for GPLd game
    Last edited by aneeshm; June 3, 2005, 15:10.
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    BSD license.

    GPL license.

    As for having a huge impact -- not a chance. Winamp is already free as in beer, and has had pretty much infinite modability without access to its source code in the form of plugins and freeform skin...
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    • #3
      Cool. A ye olde deathmatch game. Reminds me of Unreal Tournament
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      • #4
        I'm talking more about the game than the Winamp thing , Asher . And why do you dislike the GPL ? Just asking .

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        • #5
          Because it's excessively restrictive/communist.

          I prefer the libertarian style of the BSD license.
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          • #6
            Looking at the game, it doesn't look too bad or too good. Won't change anything really.
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            • #7
              The article says it's not Winamp itself, but Winamp AVS.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Q Cubed
                The article says it's not Winamp itself, but Winamp AVS.


                More lies from the open source community then.

                Winamp AVS is just a single plugin. VERY different from opensourcing Winamp itself...
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                • #9
                  I'll edit that . Sorry about the misinfo .

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                  • #10


                    No lies, just examples of some people not RTFA.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Q Cubed


                      No lies, just examples of some people not RTFA.
                      Saying they opensourced Wimamp is very much a lie.
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                      • #12
                        Asher , the BSD license is not libertarian , because it does not protect the copyrights and patent ights of the original creator as the GPL does . Another problem is this - what stops somebody from taking the entire codebase of the game , hiring only a few artists to touch it up , and then closing it , and making a killing on the backs of the original devs , none of whom get anything for thier efforts ?

                        AFAIK , the GPL is a contract - the price of using/modifying GLP software for distribution is that changes are also open . I see nothing wrong with such a contract , but you may feel free to disagree . It was when Stallman saw the thing I described happening ( student/dev makes core implementation of brilliant new idea , BSD licenses it , and it is shamelessly lifted , retouched , closed , and marketed as creation of someone else ) that he decided to write the GPL .

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Asher

                          Saying they opensourced Wimamp is very much a lie.
                          An unintentional one , which I later corrected . I claim plausible deniability here .

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by aneeshm
                            Asher , the BSD license is not libertarian , because it does not protect the copyrights and patent ights of the original creator as the GPL does .
                            I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what I mean.

                            The GPL is heavy-handed. If you put GPL code into a commercial application, the entire thing must be GPLed. If you make any changes, you must make these available. It's more restrictive.

                            The BSD license essentially says: "Here's some code! Go nuts! Use it as you want."

                            Another problem is this - what stops somebody from taking the entire codebase of the game , hiring only a few artists to touch it up , and then closing it , and making a killing on the backs of the original devs , none of whom get anything for thier efforts ?
                            I don't see that as a problem at all -- they open sourced the code.

                            The BSD network stack is used in Windows NT, for instance.

                            That's one of the great features of the BSD license...you can easily incorporate the code into commercial products if you wanted to. It's more useful.

                            AFAIK , the GPL is a contract - the price of using/modifying GLP software for distribution is that changes are also open . I see nothing wrong with such a contract , but you may feel free to disagree . It was when Stallman saw the thing I described happening ( student/dev makes core implementation of brilliant new idea , BSD licenses it , and it is shamelessly lifted , retouched , closed , and marketed as creation of someone else ) that he decided to write the GPL .
                            Well, GPL is considered evil in the Software Lab where I work. It's a legal minefield.

                            I don't see anything wrong if somebody takes BSD licensed code and makes it better, and gets paid for that.

                            And I think you and/or Stallman are partaking in revisionist history here -- credit must be given when using BSD code. You cannot take credit for it, in the sense that the BSD notice is not allowed to be removed, and it contains credits...
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                            • #15
                              Up until 1999, it was even more strict:
                              " * 3. All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this software
                              * must display the following acknowledgement:
                              * This product includes software developed by the University of
                              * California, Berkeley and its contributors."
                              In short, I very much doubt RMS made the GPL after someone took credit for BSD-licensed work.
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