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    Court set to weigh terms of Homolka's freedom
    CTV.ca News Staff

    Little more than a month before her scheduled release, Karla Homolka's future will be argued in a Quebec court Thursday.

    Homolka is set to walk away from a Joliette, Que. prison within weeks, but a team of Ontario lawyers is seeking to ensure that she won't be free to reoffend when she does.

    Under the direction of Ontario Attorney General Michael Bryant, they intend to present evidence that could lead Judge Jean Beaulieu to impose further restrictions on the notorious criminal.

    The Crown lawyers have kept tight-lipped about exactly what the evidence is, however.

    "I cannot comment on that right now," lead Ontario lawyer James Ramsay told reporters Wednesday.

    It is expected the lawyers will invoke Section 810 of the Criminal Code to ensure authorities can keep tabs on Homolka when she is released from prison.

    Under Sec. 810, a judge can restrict someone's movements and associations, and even impose curfews, if there are grounds to believe they are a threat to the public.

    "It is about considering whether or not a person who is being released and completed her sentence, in fact, should have restrictions placed on her and should be monitored,'' Bryant said.

    But, considering that conditions imposed under Sec. 810 will only remain in effect for one year, CTV News has learned Ontario lawyers will seek a number of conditions on her release, including:

    that she not associate with anyone with a criminal record
    that she report to police twice a month
    that she give police four days notice before travelling to Ontario, including a complete itinerary
    that she not use any drugs or alcohol
    that she stay away from parks, playgrounds and community centres
    By next month, Homolka, 35, will have served her entire 12-year sentence for the manslaughter deaths of schoolgirls Kristen French and Leslie Mahaffy and her role in her sister Tammy's death.

    The brutal nature of those crimes, however, and the so-called "deal with the devil" that saw Homolka get 12 years in exchange for testimony against her then-husband Paul Bernardo, has made her complete freedom an uneasy proposition.

    Speaking out

    Mary Smith, who spent five years in the same prison residence as Homolka, once considered her to be a best friend.

    But now, recalling how Homolka used to talk about the death of her younger sister, Smith says she remains convinced the schoolgirl killer is still a danger.

    "Karla has no remorse and it's sad," Smith told CTV. "She didn't think she did anything wrong ... She's very cold when she talks about her it's like nothing, it's like losing a pair of socks."

    Smith's view is not shared by Homolka's psychiatrist, who told a Montreal newspaper the public is under no threat whatsoever.

    But one of the jurors from the Paul Bernardo trial still wishes lawmakers could do more than just restrict Homolka or temporarily keep her in custody.

    "I wish she was locked up forever but that's not a possibility," Tina Daenzer told CTV News.

    Years after observing Homolka on the stand, Daenzer is haunted by memories of the slain schoolgirls. Especially by the horrifying images of their rape and torture that police found hidden in Homolka and Bernardo's home -- only after the Crown had struck its plea agreement.

    "I think about their moms, those girls, I think about the life they never had and how their moms never got a chance to see them grow up, graduate and get married. I get angry that so much attention is focused on Karla."

    In fact, interest in the day's proceedings is so great that two overflow rooms have been set up at the court to accommodate the curious.

    Tim Danson, the lawyer for the victims, will be among those keeping a close eye on the unfolding events.

    "Obviously, speaking for the family and on behalf of Jane Doe, we're very concerned that Karla Homolka represents a very serious threat to public safety. This is a very serious application. We have some concerns that it's happening in Quebec or any other province in Canada other than Ontario," Danson said.

    "I think when this is all done the families may be seeking consultation with the federal officials to amend the Criminal Code because it is our view that 810 applications should be taking place in the venue where the crime took place and where there's the knowledge of what took place."

    Meanwhile, Homolka's father said none of her family members will be waiting to greet her when she emerges from prison.

    Karel Homolka said he's not quite ready to rebuild his relationship with his eldest daughter.

    "Someday, I guess," the senior Homolka told The Canadian Press from his home in St. Catharines, Ont.

    With reports from CTV News and The Canadian Press


    The thing that bothers me about this is that so few are speaking up and saying that vindictive restrictions on a citizen who is paid up are not an acceptable part of our society. Indeed, voices for harsher provisions for the state over its citizens are given prominent play and nary a dissenting voice is heard.

    Before anyone gets bent out of shape, I think Homolka is a walking endorcement for abortion of adult citizens who commit heinous crimes. However, our justice system had its way with her. What is being demanded now is an extended bite at the apple.

    Anybody could be deemed a 'serious threat to public safety' even minority populations during a war.
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    Why do you hate your own country, NYE?
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    • #3
      Why not?
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      • #4
        So Quebec made a 'deal' with her and now is regretting their part in the deal? Yeah, when you reduce someone's sentance to testify against someone else, they get released early! SHOCK!
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        • #5
          Twelve years sounds like a fairly hefty sentence for multiple manslaughter, yet if I'm reading that right she got off easy thanks to that "pact with the devil"?
          Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

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          • #6
            Her pact with the devil was marrying that piece of ****
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            • #7
              Twelve years sounds like a fairly hefty sentence for multiple manslaughter
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                -Never argue with an idiot; He will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.

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                • #9
                  Re: Public Safety or Civil Liberties?

                  Originally posted by notyoueither
                  The thing that bothers me about this is that so few are speaking up and saying that vindictive restrictions on a citizen who is paid up are not an acceptable part of our society. Indeed, voices for harsher provisions for the state over its citizens are given prominent play and nary a dissenting voice is heard.
                  She "paid up" only because prosecutors botched and made a deal before they found all the relevant evidence in the case.

                  Given that her deal was premised on the flawed notion that she was an abused victim somewhat forced to participate, and the evidence recovered after the deal showed she was a full and willing accomplice, it doesn't seem like much of an "abuse" of the existing law to impose conditions on her which are far milder than either remaining in prison, being strapped to a gurney, or the kinds of restrictions imposed under most US state laws on registered sex offenders.

                  To me, it's hard to argue these are vindictive measures as opposed to a rare use of relatively mild protective measures, given the magnitude of her crimes, and the false premises of her culpability which led to her far too mild sentence under a plea deal.
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                  • #10
                    This is atually one book I read. This ***** isnt no more innocent then that piece of s*** husband she had. She helped rape and kill her own sister. That is just inexcusable. being a masrried woman there is nothing tubes could do to me that would make me go along with that crap. If the fact she killed her own sister isnt bad enough the fact that there was more the 4 girls they held captive and used for sex toys. If you ask my 12 years aint long enough.
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                    • #11
                      @DanS: Where I live, the maximum sentence for manslaughter is 10 years.

                      Still, from reading the links in the other thread, her "multiple manslaughter" was rather something like multiple murders, kidnappings, rapes, and sexual assaults, topped of with indignity on a human corpse, so she got off easy.
                      Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

                      It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
                      The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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                      • #12
                        I reluctantly agree with nye.
                        Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                        • #13
                          The problem is the public does not feel justice was done.

                          The AG of Ontario is to some extent trying to placate public outrage by appearing to be as tough as possible while still living within the confines of her 'deal'. My guess is his motions will fail, and even if he can convince a Judge to impose the conditions we will have to go through this routine every 12 months. Best to let it go at this point.

                          Her deal should have been revoked when it was learned she was not truthful (the video rapes she 'forgot' about). Too late now.

                          Imran - Quebec did not make the deal with her - Ontario did. Our socialist gov of the day bought her 'abused spouse' story.
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                          • #14
                            Her deal should have been revoked when it was learned she was not truthful (the video rapes she 'forgot' about). Too late now.


                            Yep... exactly. You can't just keep the deal and then say well, we don't like what we had to agree with.

                            Imran - Quebec did not make the deal with her - Ontario did. Our socialist gov of the day bought her 'abused spouse' story.


                            Ah... well that doesn't surprise me.
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                            • #15
                              I think Homolka is a walking endorcement for abortion of adult citizens who commit heinous crimes.


                              Ahem.

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                              By definition, it's impossible to abort a person, adult or otherwise, citizen or otherwise.

                              /me climbs down

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