What if Hell were the only afterlife?

[Dr Strangelove]

How can Hell be the only afterlife when it is the only pre - afterlife?

[Rufus T. Firefly]

I don't get it. You already live in Florida. Why was this dream disturbing?

[Lancer]

"And God and heaven was an invention of the devil just to give us hope while alive, only to have it stolen from us in death and an eternity in hell. The worst torture is having all hope taken from you.

That was the nightmare I woke up from this morning."

"Someone's knocking at the door, someone's ringing the bell..."

Do me a favor, open the door and let Him in.

"The worst torture is having all hope taken from you."

[Agathon]

If Plato is right, the afterlife will be hell for most of us. If you spend this life desiring physical satisfaction and material goods, you will be condemned to an existence where it is not possible to satisfy these desires.

[Whoha]

one time I dreamt about going to school, then had to get up and go to school. I was not happy.

[Berzerker]

Heaven exists, hell exists...these are home to good and evil. The universe, nay, existence serves one purpose - to separate the good from the evil thru beings sufficiently enlightened to choose.

Are you one with the Dark Side?

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Agathon
Shi is right GePap. On the understanding of logic accepted by most contemporary philosophers logic has nothing to do with the state of the world, but only with the rules of consistency governing the language we use to describe it.

An argument may be valid (internally consistent) but not necessarily sound, and soundness has everything to do with state of the world.

At any rate, the Christian god, as characterised by orthodox Christian doctrines, is inconsistent. That's before we start with the Problem of Evil.

[Agathon]

An argument may be valid (internally consistent) but not necessarily sound, and soundness has everything to do with state of the world.

Not necessarily. The premises could themselves be analytic truths. For example:

All bachelors and widowers are human beings
All unmarried men are bachelors or widowers
Thus, all unmarried men are human beings.

Sure, it's a trivial argument, but it's sound and all the premises are conceptual truths.

The problem of evil doesn't work UR. It requires us to assume that what we believe to be evil is in fact evil in the eyes of the deity, and we simply have no reason to make that assumption.

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


An argument may be valid (internally consistent) but not necessarily sound, and soundness has everything to do with state of the world.

At any rate, the Christian god, as characterised by orthodox Christian doctrines, is inconsistent. That's before we start with the Problem of Evil.

How so?

[Robert]

The christian faith is not logical.
Afterlife / omniscience / omnipresence / eternity are ilogical terms that one can believe in but aren't supported by reasoning, science or logic.

There's one problem though which is the first cause.
There's no logical explanation for the first cause as well. Eventhough there must be a first cause, logically spoken.

Therefor logic and reasoning are ilogic in the end as well. In fact: logic only works 'in-universe' to speak in star wars terms (saw ep3 yesterday )
As soon as we talk about stuff outside our universe our logic does not apply.

Hell is indeed seperation from God and thus from good.
Though it's not as if we have to chose for or against God during this life to become eternal seperated from God or not.
In fact we already have made that chose. We have chosen against God. Therefor in fact hell is indeed the only option for us.

That makes the dream true.

[Theben]

Originally posted by Worthingtons
Dreams can be a warning of a reality, Is anyone likely to Murder you in the next few days Che?

Only if he doesn't quit snoring.

[MikeH]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
"Equally as strange and illogical as one that has God, heaven and Hell."

How is that illogical?



Well, then would you be posing Satan as the creator of the universe? If we are having a non-atheistic system with this universe being created, there are pleasures in this world, there is happiness that exists. If Satan created the Universe, why would he bother allow for the possibility of such things? He could just throw us into Hell right away.

Because he's got a great sense of humour.

[chequita guevara]

Re: Re: What if Hell were the only afterlife?

Originally posted by Ned
Well, if you are still with your wife in the afterlife, are you in heaven or are you in hell?

I wasn't dead yet. Demons were invading the world. I was about to be dead.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
How can Hell be the only afterlife when it is the only pre - afterlife?

my thought...

Jon Miller