What if Hell were the only afterlife?

[chequita guevara]

Actually, as I think about it, this is a similar vision of the afterlife as was held by the ancient Greeks, though no Elysium, and Hades is more horrible.

[chequita guevara]

This isn't about getting followers, it was a nasty dream I had just before waking.

[Shi Huangdi]

"Equally as strange and illogical as one that has God, heaven and Hell."

How is that illogical?

I think chegitz guevara's *ahem* vision was that there is no God but there is a Satan. Ergo, all afterlife is a complete and utter separation from God. Ergo, all afterlife is hell. Religion is just a lie spread by Satan to build suspense.

Well, then would you be posing Satan as the creator of the universe? If we are having a non-atheistic system with this universe being created, there are pleasures in this world, there is happiness that exists. If Satan created the Universe, why would he bother allow for the possibility of such things? He could just throw us into Hell right away.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
"Equally as strange and illogical as one that has God, heaven and Hell."

How is that illogical?

There is no logical reason to believe in a singular eternal omnicient, omnipotent creator intelligence. Hence, it is an illogical belief.

Faith =/ Logic.

[Shi Huangdi]

No, you just feel that theism in unsupported by empirical evidence. For it to be illogical it would need to be internally inconstitent.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
No, you just feel that theism in unsupported by empirical evidence. For it to be illogical it would need to be internally inconstitent.

So according to you, any random idea that is simply internally consistent consitutes a logical world view.

I never knew you were such a darling of relativism.

[Worthingtons]

Dreams can be a warning of a reality, Is anyone likely to Murder you in the next few days Che?

[Agathon]

Shi is right GePap. On the understanding of logic accepted by most contemporary philosophers logic has nothing to do with the state of the world, but only with the rules of consistency governing the language we use to describe it.

As a pragmatist, I deny this, but it doesn't necessarily lead to relativism.

[GePap]

I got Agahton to say Shi was right

[Agathon]

I had to grit my teeth before posting.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day, eh Shi?

[GePap]

I guess I don't buy into the current notion of logic, simply because I do care about the inherent logic of the innitial statement.

Decinding to say "The Universe was created by a singular eternal, monicient, omnipotent, good entity" and then accepting that system as logical as long as you never violate that innitial statement does not actually seem a logical thing to do for me, anymore than it is logical for me to accept the theory that we are transplanted aliens.

[Ned]

Re: What if Hell were the only afterlife?

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
And God and heaven was an invention of the devil just to give us hope while alive, only to have it stolen from us in death and an eternity in hell. The worst torture is having all hope taken from you.

That was the nightmare I woke up from this morning.

Well, if you are still with your wife in the afterlife, are you in heaven or are you in hell?

[DerSchwarzfalke]

I had a dream the other night that I was attending the Metropolitan Opera for a showing of Verdi's Aida. In this dream, I slept through the opera. Yes, I dreamt about sleep.

Currently, I am watching Prime Minister Question Time (Canada style) on C-SPAN.

These may be variations of Hell?

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi


Well, then would you be posing Satan as the creator of the universe? If we are having a non-atheistic system with this universe being created, there are pleasures in this world, there is happiness that exists. If Satan created the Universe, why would he bother allow for the possibility of such things? He could just throw us into Hell right away.

Longing for the periods of happiness that we'ce experienced would make the torment that much worse.

[Agathon]

I guess I don't buy into the current notion of logic, simply because I do care about the inherent logic of the innitial statement.

What other notion is there? Logical truths are tautologies: they don't say anything about the state of the world, since they are true whatever obtains in the world.

It is logically possible for grass to be naturally pink, but it just doesn't happen to be, because it is physically impossible.

It's logically impossible for there to be a round square or a married bachelor because those statements contain internal contradictions. Perhaps the idea of a benevolent and omnipotent God contains a contradiction, in which case it is logically impossible for such a being to exist.

But, one of the most famous attempts at using logical truth to argue about God posits his existence as a logical truth which it is contradictory to deny: this is the famous Ontological Proof of St. Anselm.

Decinding to say "The Universe was created by a singular eternal, monicient, omnipotent, good entity" and then accepting that system as logical as long as you never violate that innitial statement does not actually seem a logical thing to do for me, anymore than it is logical for me to accept the theory that we are transplanted aliens.

I think the word you want is "rational" rather than "logical". It's not illogical to believe in purple bunnies, but it is irrational for most people to believe in them given that they have no evidence to do so.