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WTF!? Prison Vacation!? The point of prison is supposed to be that you are incarcerated!
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Yup. you are right. All that are sentenced to spend time in prison are worthless. why even bother to keep them in prison - no a quick execution is much better, then we for certain know that they won't do any harm.Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous
What difference does that make? What kind of bassackwards rule is prison vacation?
We could even reduce the risk of crime by letting all people taking regular tests that checks if some people are possible lawbreakers and execute them just to be sure.With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven WeinbergComment
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If you put on a good behavior in prison you may get a leave of 24hours or such sometime in the future. It is used on the one hand as an incentive for behavioral adjustment inside prison and on the other hand for facilitating future social adjustment once out of prison.Comment
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There's a HUGE difference between someone finishing their time, and getting a ****ing vacation from prison.
And I'm staunchly anti-Death Penalty, ass"I predict your ignore will rival Ben's" - Ecofarm
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Common rehab procedures for prisoners is to let them get out in the society for short times. It isn't "vacation" but an effort to give them a better chance to get a life after prison.
Noone is "cured" just because they have finished their full sentence, and if you go straight from prison to common life there are a pretty high risk that you are back in prison in short time. Is it that you want ?With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven WeinbergComment
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that's not a question of which one you want. Cured prisoner or someone who never was cured.
The question is if we should let out the violent criminals who are danger to the citizens. My answer is NO. Dangerous one, keep them locked up. The ones that are not so dangerous to other people and try, sure, why not.In da butt.
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That is what halfway houses are for.Originally posted by BlackCat
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Common rehab procedures for prisoners is to let them get out in the society for short times. It isn't "vacation" but an effort to give them a better chance to get a life after prison.
Noone is "cured" just because they have finished their full sentence, and if you go straight from prison to common life there are a pretty high risk that you are back in prison in short time. Is it that you want ?
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You are right, and that is why I asked for this persons criminal history.Originally posted by Pekka
that's not a question of which one you want. Cured prisoner or someone who never was cured.
The question is if we should let out the violent criminals who are danger to the citizens. My answer is NO. Dangerous one, keep them locked up. The ones that are not so dangerous to other people and try, sure, why not.With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven WeinbergComment
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So I'm a bad person because I think someone who is put in jail for a certain amount of time should stay in jail for said amount of time?Originally posted by BlackCat
Noone is "cured" just because they have finished their full sentence, and if you go straight from prison to common life there are a pretty high risk that you are back in prison in short time. Is it that you want ?
What I don't want is someone who will take full advantage of being on the outside because they know they'll have to go back in after the "vacation" is over."I predict your ignore will rival Ben's" - Ecofarm
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emp fab, I don't think the vacations are really that long. Maybe hte said 24 hours or few days max, and you get them rarely. I mean, if used as rewards, that's something to look forward to and maybe keeps someone motivated.. and it's true that if you get institutionalized, it's more difficult to return back to society, more likely to fail.
But... I'm still against risks like violent criminals getting out on vacations. Everyone else, who is not physical threat to other people, I'd let them have vacations every now and then. Like few times a year or so. A day or two or so.. as a reward only. And break the trust once, never get a new chance at them.In da butt.
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Different names, same purpose.Originally posted by Tuberski
That is what halfway houses are for.
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Certainly, I think that this murder is a tragedy, but I just don't buy the headline that it happend because a known murderer had a vacation or even that there was a high risk that he would do it.With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven WeinbergComment
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In no way, I agree that people sentenced should take the full punishment, but I also think that when they are nearing the end of their sentence, different measures should be made so they have a chance to cope with the change from prison to normal life.Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous
So I'm a bad person because I think someone who is put in jail for a certain amount of time should stay in jail for said amount of time?
Meaning what ?What I don't want is someone who will take full advantage of being on the outside because they know they'll have to go back in after the "vacation" is over.With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven WeinbergComment
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So...if I read you right...that even though he did this...and did it while given a break (A BREAK?!) from incarceration...that things wouldn't have been better if he was in prison, and that this vacation for him was ok?Originally posted by BlackCat
Certainly, I think that this murder is a tragedy, but I just don't buy the headline that it happend because a known murderer had a vacation or even that there was a high risk that he would do it.
This is by far the strangest position to take in an argument. Part of me strongly thinks you're trolling."I predict your ignore will rival Ben's" - Ecofarm
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