Habermaas speaks about EU constitution.

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by Pekka
Are you denying the world around you?

No.

Do you intend to say, that no, right wingers don't hog the patriotism thing???

If they do, how does it prove they are all hypocrites? How does it prove they act hypocritically in every issue?

No, this is what I accuse of you.

Without backing it up.

No, I was pointing out your hypocricy.

You don't even know where I stand on most left or right issues. Yet you're quick to judge. That has nothing to do with "pointing out" something.

I pointed out that BOTH sides claim values and hog them as their own.

Well, can't they claim values? And can't they be of the opinion that they represant those values better than anyone else? Why is that hypocrisy? If I agree with them is a completely different thing.

What do you mean back it up? Do you deny this? OMG.... you braniacs have reached a totally new level of retardness!

I deny that all lefties and righties are automatically hypocrites.

I haven't claimed anything of my own, idiot, read my posts, I pointed out the hypocricy on both sides.

No, you just threw accusations around. Fez would be proud of you.

[Pekka]

Jesus dear lord saviour.. I have already answered all your replies earlier. Which basically means, this is going in circles because you can't remember/read.

"If they do, how does it prove they are all hypocrites? How does it prove they act hypocritically in every issue?"

I NEVER CLAIMED THIS NOW DID I?!?!?! If someone is consistently hypocrite on some issue, then that side can be called hypocrite. I said, that of course this is the stereotype thinking of left/right, SO YES IT DOES NOT INCLUDE ALL PEOPLE, only majority.

"Without backing it up."

Well not you personally, but left. I already said earlier if you read and remember which I doubt, that the right has been called for hypocricy on this issue many times. Left hasn't been called up for it so much, THUS I bring the issue on left.

You already said that yeah it happens, everyone is human. Now you say 'without backing it up'. What the **** do you want me to do to make you believe it happens? I can point you to a source. Start reading every debate on the internet. Then read all the political websites. If you find one WITHOUT this hypocricy, let me know. I mean you admitted this yourself, now you want proof? How about opening your eyes? I know fart stinks, would you like me to prove it to you? Fart and smell. These are trivial things.

It's like saying I have been rude in this thread and using foul language. You don't have to back it up, because it's obvious and I admit it. I guess we should forget all leftie/rightie campagns then, and oh, that the last US elections was about.... values. About the hundred threads in here where righties claim to be more patriotic, and lefties defending saying they don't own the flag. IF you don't agree wiht this, then you are just from another planet simply. I can say 1+1=2, you can still say 'no.'.

"You don't even know where I stand on most left or right issues. Yet you're quick to judge. That has nothing to do with "pointing out" something.
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I meant the lefties. Not you personally.

"Well, can't they claim values?"

yeah, they can, and I already addressed this issue way back. Read up. Too long for another explaining.


"I deny that all lefties and righties are automatically hypocrites. "

Not all are, only most.

"No, you just threw accusations around. "

Yeah. Can't stand a check up routine? Wouldn't this be what the left is doing... every other day?

[BeBMan]

Ok.

[Pekka]

Good! That one I like!

I'm not expecting any lengthy answers, just acknowledgment of the fact that all sides of political spectrum uses the same tactics, and they blame each other for using it while doing it themselves, and that makes them hypocrites basically.

I don't know, you are not a hypocrite necessarily. But you have reading difficulties. I know I sometimes come up with a wide subject and go left and right and around but really... concentration! This is important stuff!

And I'm only bringing this up, because the right gets called for it often, while left is not called for it. If you want to check out, I have attacked the same issue against more conservative statement .. the liberals destroy families. So you see, I have been consistent on calling this value BS.

It's not wrong to claim, well we stand for this and this. I mean, that's pretty much the idea! But when it means, that since we stand for this, and if you are not with us, then you are against this and this value. OF course it doesn't mean that. But, bi-polarized braniacs are not known for variety of thoughts.