Do you like guns or gun control?

[Dis]

I'm for gun control on certain types of weapons. Mainly concealable weapons like pistols, sawed off shotguns etc. And of course assault rifles.

But I do believe people should be allowed to have a shotgun and hunting rifle for hunting purposes or home defense.

But I do like guns. I own a Glock 17 (yes it's a pistol). I'd gladly give it up if we had gun control for concealable weapons. I'd get a shotgun instead.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Dissident
But I do believe people should be allowed to have a shotgun and hunting rifle for hunting purposes or home defense.

You should hunt with nothing more than spears and knives.

[Dis]

those are real useful if for some reason you happen to piss off a grizzly bear.

[Dis]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


Just a question.

Do you think a bunch of people with small arms can take on the US military? This is not the 18th century, when the "oppressor" wasn't much better armed than the "rebels."

The rationale for gun ownership is obsolete, dead, buried.

do you think the U.S. military would fire upon it's own citizens? The U.S. military would have massive desertions.

[Sandman]

I like guns in games. But I prefer gun control in real life.

I don't buy this nonsense that allowing citizens to own weaponry will prevent an oppressive government from emerging - Saddam encouraged his people to arm themselves to the teeth. Lenin, Mussolini and Hitler all came to power because they could equip private armies to intimidate and murder the opposition.

[Az]

I like them both. I think they should be available, and licensed.

[planet]

gun control, as long as it is in my hand it is in control

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Dissident


do you think the U.S. military would fire upon it's own citizens? The U.S. military would have massive desertions.

Well, it has done in the past.


" As Harper’s Weekly reported the following month, "Governor Matthews evoked the aid of the national government. President Hayes responded promptly." Federal troops armed with Springfield rifles and Gatling guns arrived in Martinsburg on July 19. The show of force got the trains running, releasing the 13 locomotives and 1,500 freight cars bottled up in Martinsburg.


STRIKE SPREADS

But the strike was far from over. "Indeed, it was barely begun," reported Harper’s Weekly. "As fast as the strike was broken in one place it appeared in another," wrote Boyer and Morais. The revolt against the powerful railroad companies spread into western Pennsylvania, Kentucky and Ohio.

Believing that strikers in Cumberland were stopping the eastbound trains from Martinsburg, Maryland’s governor ordered out the state militia. Thousands of the jobless and underpaid in Baltimore clearly saw whose interests the governor’s proclamation served.

Within a half hour of the call, "a crowd numbering at least 2,000 men, women, and children surrounded the [Maryland Sixth Regiment] armory and loudly expressed their feelings against the military and in favor of the strikers," according to Harper’s Weekly. The crowd added bricks and stones to the curses hurled against the armory. The police were powerless.

Once the troops emerged for their march to Camden Station, shots were fired — and shots were exchanged. The militia killed at least 10 and wounded many others, among them curious onlookers. The Fifth Regiment was also attacked, although no shots were fired.

BATTLE IN PITTSBURGH

Sympathy for the strikers was even stronger in Pittsburgh. Here, said Boyer and Morais, the strike against Tom Scott’s Pennsylvania Railroad "had the support even of businessmen, angry at the company because of extortionate freight rates." The police and local militia sided with the strikers, so the authorities had to appeal for troops from Philadelphia.

When the militiamen arrived and marched out of the station, they were met with the cries of an angry crowd — and, according to Harper’s, "a shower of stones." They emptied their rifles into the crowd, killing 20 men, women and children and wounding 29. "The sight presented after the soldiers ceased firing was sickening," reported the New York Herald; the area "was actually dotted with the dead and dying."

A newspaper headline read: "Shot in Cold Blood by the Roughs of Philadelphia. The Lexington of the Labor Conflict at Hand. The Slaughter of Innocents."

As the news reached nearby rolling mills and manufacturing shops, workers came rushing to the scene. Workers broke into a gun factory and seized rifles and small arms. Wrote Boyer and Morais, "Miners and steel workers came pouring in from the outskirts of the city and as night fell the immense crowd proved so menacing to the soldiers that they retreated into the roundhouse." By midnight, Harper’s said, some 20,000 surrounded the roundhouse, 5,000 of them armed.

Workers and soldiers exchanged gunfire throughout the night. The workers nearly succeeded in burning out the troops by sending a blazing oil car hurtling against a nearby building. "

http://www.ranknfile-ue.org/uen_1877.html

The Pullman Strike:

http://www.lib.niu.edu/ipo/ihy941208.html

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by planet
gun control, as long as it is in my hand it is in control

I have to query the amount of control that can be exercised by one lacking the motor skills to press a "Shift" key.

[Vesayen]

Originally posted by Dissident


do you think the U.S. military would fire upon it's own citizens? The U.S. military would have massive desertions.

There would be massive desertion, but not complete..... that is why we need our guns.

[BeBMan]

Why are you guys so inconsequent? Everyone should have the right to have every kind of weapon he wishes to have. You can get cheap, used MBTs quite easily these days. That would make gang wars so much more interesting.

[Dauphin]

All private citizens should have unfetted access to any weapons they like, provided they can afford them.

I'm sure PH can recommend some Biochemical "Home Defence" weapons suppliers.

[Az]

@Dauphin.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Dissident
do you think the U.S. military would fire upon it's own citizens? The U.S. military would have massive desertions.

Hasn't somebody mentioned Kent State already?

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Dauphin
All private citizens should have unfetted access to any weapons they like, provided they can afford them.

I'm sure PH can recommend some Biochemical "Home Defence" weapons suppliers.

I prefer thermonuclear weapons myself.

Very good for suicide bombings, too.