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I second JohnT's comment on the futility of asking a forum largely composed of heterosexual, albeit frustrated, males to rate the attractiveness of a guy, whether it's Asher or Verto. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to say. My first impression was "So Tobey Maguire's really a gay guy living in Canada? He should let somebody else have Heather Graham and stay in the closet with somebody uglier..."
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Originally posted by Agathon
Ipods suck compared to all the competition. Not only does Apple try to tell you what you can and can't do with your own music but they cost to much, their battery life sucks, and their sound quality gets pwned by most of the competition.
That pic looks like what it is: an inferior knock off of Apple's design. You can rant and rave all you like, but that's what it is.
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That's because the fan boys have to get on their knees and suck Steve Jobs off no matter what Apple produces. For once Asher is spot on. Not only does the Ipod try to restrict where users get their music & how they use their music but it also has a shorter battery life, has lower quality sound, and costs much more then the competition.Originally posted by Adagio
But that design is better than any of the ipods I have ever seen
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Those ear plug "headphones" are junk suck when it comes to sound quality. The universal opinion of all the audio magazines and online experts is that the Beyerdynamic DT 231 are the sub $100 portable headphones to beat. Those are the ones I have on order. As far as your unfounded claims of Ipods having better sound quality (:lol; ), well, I can post reviews from numerous sources which all say the Creative Zen Touch has the best sound quality of any portable music player on the market.Originally posted by Agathon
I saw one of those on the bus the other day and the guy had bought ipod headphones to go with it. I listened to one of them not long ago too – my cheapo flashpod has a better sound.
Aggie, I don't just go out an pay $315 of my hard earned cash (though Boris got his $25 cheaper) without first reviewing all sorts of industry news sources, online reviews, and magazine reviews. I also listened to both and while the sound quality in the Zen Touch was only marginally better (with good headphones you could easily hear it though) the extra battery life and the lower price were real pluses for Creative over Apple. The deal breaker which stopped me from ever owning an Ipod was that Ipod supported fewer music formats, tried to control where my music came from, and tried to control where I transfered my music to. I won't support a company that puts unreasonable restrictions upon how I use my own music. Period.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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This is a most excellent threadjack
"I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
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As if the Canadian would care...Originally posted by Pyrodrew
That's the pic I want to see!
If we did that we would still be under British rule.
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10 for gay, 01 for looks.I'm consitently stupid- Japher
I think that opinion in the United States is decidedly different from the rest of the world because we have a free press -- by free, I mean a virgorously presented right wing point of view on the air and available to all.- NedComment
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I find it funny that Oerdin is denouncing fanboys after turning into a raving Creative fanboy in a couple days...KH FOR OWNER!
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Yeah... so do I.
The deal breaker which stopped me from ever owning an Ipod was that Ipod supported fewer music formats, tried to control where my music came from, and tried to control where I transfered my music to. I won't support a company that puts unreasonable restrictions upon how I use my own music. Period.
I can't think of what these incredible restrictions are, but there's nothing that can't be overcome with some smarts.Only feebs vote.Comment
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I just don't like Apple's BigBrother approach to music. Look at iTunes' perpetual crippling for example -- what's next?Originally posted by nostromo
BS. The last time I checked the iPod minis were less expensive than Zen micros: for the same price as a 5GB micro, you get a 6GB mini. The sound quality doesn't get pwned by most of the competition. In a blind test, with the same headphones, you probably couldn't hear the difference between a iPod and a Zen. You probably could hear the difference, if there's one, on a high fidelity sound system. But I'm pretty sure you don't own a high fidelity system. A friend of mine just spent 4K$ on a amplifier.
It's just asking for trouble buying into Apple's fortitified, proprietary media world.
As for the price, the iPod Mini offers significantly less features than the Zen Micro, inferior audio quality (which you claim isn't a factor), and inferior battery life (which is a factor), in addition to locking you into Apple.
5GB Zen Micro: $268
4GB iPod Mini: $249
6GB iPod Mini: $319"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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It's not fanboyism when the opinion is based on reality and objectively.Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
I find it funny that Oerdin is denouncing fanboys after turning into a raving Creative fanboy in a couple days...
He didn't have to buy the Creative player. He researched and made a decision.
The obvious one for anyone with half a brain, too."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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If people who buy iPods, aside from rabid fanboys ala Agathon, knew Apple's history and knew the truth behind the iPod's lockin, I doubt they'd be so quick to buy it as a fashion accessory.
Look at what they're doing to iTunes. Slowly crippling it.
They've already crippled the iPod (you can't transfer music from your iPod to your PC w/o hacking it), and they actively prevent iPod users from placing music purchased from other music stores on their player (ie, Real).
It's worse than what MS was convicted of doing with PCs, and far more blatant.
Tiger also loses points by removing features computer users have long taken for granted. Let's deal with the latter first.
Saving an MP3 that you've loaded from a web page and played in Safari now requires an additional $29.99 payment for Quick Time Pro. That will be reason enough not to upgrade for many. Roxio's Toast no longer burns songs purchased from Apple's Music Store. Right-clicking to download a file from Safari still works, but for how long is anyone's guess. The trend isn't in the right direction - Apple has gradually been removing multimedia features from its software products (see Apple de-socializes iTunes).
It's hard to escape the conclusion that Apple now views the Mac as a platform for a closed home entertainment system - based on iTunes and QuickTime - rather than an open computing platform. AirPort Express is a great example of how a little vision, and terrific engineering, can be spoiled by this new approach. Using Airport Express, it ought to be possible to pipe audio wirelessly from any Mac application to the remote speakers - which should appear as another sound output device in the control panel. But Apple crippled the software, forcing the user to pipe music through iTunes.
The Mac is becoming the incredible vanishing media platform!
While Apple has been in the news again this week for its war against the people who promote its products, another of its wars has received much less attention. It may as well be a covert war.
Bit by bit, Apple is tightening the DRM noose, reducing the amount of freedom its own customers enjoy. Last year, the company cut the number of times users could burn a playlist from ten to seven. This time, Apple has chosen to cripple one of its coolest and most socially beneficial technologies - Rendezvous.
Apple actually applied the restriction two months ago, but the passage of time hasn't made it any sweeter. In iTunes, Rendezvous allows users on the same subnet to share their music - although this is limited to streaming only. But the most recent version of iTunes, 4.7.1, restricts that streaming capability even further, and users aren't happy, as this support discussion shows. It used to support five simultaneous listeners, but now iTunes only permits five listeners a day.
Of course, Apple has its defenders, as it always will. "No one is forcing anyone to upgrade," fumes one 'henryblackman' at the MacNN forum, irked that someone should should disturb his digital bliss. But they did - and using a security scare to foist an upgrade on users that's really a downgrade is, well how shall we put it - familiar?
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Apple is Satan. Everyone help Asher now!!!Only feebs vote.Comment
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On the Scale of Evil, Apple is several orders of magnitude higher up than Creative is.
It amazes me that someone with left-wing views such as you can defend the actions of the company single-handedly setting the standard for invasive, annoying, restrictive DRM."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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I don't care. If you want to download music from an ipod to a computer it will take a visit to ipodlounge or one of the other sites that host free software that will allow you to do it.
I don't think the itunes DRM is particularly restrictive and you can get rid of it if you really want to. Most people don't care, and they have no need to.Only feebs vote.Comment
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