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  • #16
    Originally posted by chegitz guevara

    Since I intend to still be here in a few centuries, I also intend to be remembered then.
    i) How?

    ii) If you're still around, why would you need to be remembered?

    Carolus

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    • #17
      Have to go to bed now as another meaningless day is drawing nearer...

      I will check this utterly meaningless thread tomorrow again...

      Sleep tight, mortals.

      Carolus

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Carolus Rex
        The rest is silence...

        Carolus
        Silence is what makes the music.
        Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
        -Richard Dawkins

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Starchild
          Life is meaningless. Deal with it and get on with living


          Originally posted by Carolus Rex
          Is there any meaning of life at all?

          My life is completely insignificant; it won't change one single thing in this world. This assertion is not to be interpreted as an expression of some teenager's low self-esteem or pathetic depression of having been thrown away by a lover...

          I truly believe it. Furthermore, I go on to claim that, in the bigger scheme of things, your life and every single individual's life is completely meaningless as well... I make that judgement without knowing you and I firmly believe I'm right...

          Does this imply that life at an aggregated level (i. e. the existence of humanity) is meaningless too? Is the sum of a large number of totally insignificant parts also insignificant? I'm not sure about that one...

          Discuss, mortals.

          Carolus
          Life is meaningless, as in it has no seperate meaning given to it. It's just life. Some of us may change the world, alter the course of history, and do wonderful things. However none of that means anything in the grand scheme of things.

          A lot of insignificant things add up to something significant. We will all affect our own lives greatly, and alter our own perceived world hugely. You're life already changes somethings in the world - you occupy a space, breathe air, consume goods, etc. Some people change the world largely, most do only in a very small part. That's life. It's completely meaningless, but it's significant to a lot of people.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Drogue




            Life is meaningless, as in it has no seperate meaning given to it. It's just life. Some of us may change the world, alter the course of history, and do wonderful things. However none of that means anything in the grand scheme of things.

            A lot of insignificant things add up to something significant. We will all affect our own lives greatly, and alter our own perceived world hugely. You're life already changes somethings in the world - you occupy a space, breathe air, consume goods, etc. Some people change the world largely, most do only in a very small part. That's life. It's completely meaningless, but it's significant to a lot of people.
            I only read the last 2 sentences of your post in this thread , but:...

            You think it is significant to a lot of people. Actually it wouldn't matter if you were there or not. Other people only care about you because they know you. You can't miss what you don't know. Life is both meaningless and pointless.
            You might say to yourself that what you do is not pointless because it's important to you, but that's just a relative thought in your mind. If you were to be depressed you would feel completely different about it. Especially since being depressed of being joyful is caused by a chemical reaction in your brain. What you do essentially is unimportant. It's not because you are there and that you change something that it has a point oir a meaning. It just happens, but nothing more than that. It might very well not happen at all, which would not make a difference anyway.
            All is relative to the eye of the beholder, and it's not because you and others perceive your existence as important, that it actually is important or has a point or meaning
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            • #21
              Re: Is (your) life futile?

              Originally posted by Carolus Rex
              Is there any meaning of life at all?

              My life is completely insignificant; it won't change one single thing in this world.
              Sounds like you need to step away from the monitor and get outside. Talk a walk through the park.

              Do you still believe in Rock and Roll, Carolus?

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              • #22
                Re: Is (your) life futile?

                Originally posted by Carolus Rex
                Is there any meaning of life at all?

                My life is completely insignificant; it won't change one single thing in this world. This assertion is not to be interpreted as an expression of some teenager's low self-esteem or pathetic depression of having been thrown away by a lover...

                I disagree. You do change the world -- though in very small, yet still in important ways. You affect the lives of those whom you form meaningful friendships with, and you certainly affect the lives of your family members.


                For example, one time I talked with a good friend of mine about how we have influenced one another for the better. He told me that through my positive examples in the way I live my life, and when we talked a couple of times at length before, I have encouraged him to become more open minded about certain things.
                A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Starchild


                  Why change the world? Who said anything about altering the course of society? You want to find a point to life in this entropic universe of ours? Then go hug a loved one. Smile when you get your lunch from the deli. Be there when someone needs you. Do no harm and, if you do, be mature enough to apologise for it.

                  Go out there and revel in the crush of humanity. Feel the sun on your back and the wind in your hair. Glory in the fact that this moment will never come again. Plan like you're going to live for a hundred years, act like you're going to die tomorrow.

                  Revel in sensation, in the fleeting moment and the lost instant of being. Sit quietly in the warmth holding the hand of someone you love and know that in all the universe, in all the aeons, in all the meaningless random chaos of everything, you can do such a simple act.

                  awesome post
                  A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                  • #24
                    Starchild got the jist of what I'm going to repeat.


                    Life is meaningless, yes. But life is NOT pointless. Life's purpose (and I hate to say it) is the experiences we gather, nothing more or less. There isn't a higher reason for life (IMHO) beyond to experience the events that this life presents themselves to you.

                    The experiences are all that matter. Even though a LOT of them are horrid, the experience is what's worth it.


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                    • #25
                      Along the same lines, from Angel of all places
                      "In the greater scheme, the big picture, nothing we do matters. There's no grand plan - no big win... If there's no great, glorious end to all this - if nothing we do matters - then all that matters is what we do. Cause' that's all there is - what we do now, today... if there's no bigger meaning, then the smallest act of kindness is the greatest thing in the world."
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                      • #26
                        I, for one, will not rest on life's "meaninglessness". Life has both meaning and a point (I'm not entirely sure if there's that much difference between the two.)

                        Life is only meaningless if you accept that you cannot make a difference. That's akin to quitting, and as far as I'm concerned, quitting is incredibly pointless.
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                        • #27

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                          • #28
                            Life is meaningless, yes. But life is NOT pointless. Life's purpose (and I hate to say it) is the experiences we gather, nothing more or less. There isn't a higher reason for life (IMHO) beyond to experience the events that this life presents themselves to you.

                            The experiences are all that matter. Even though a LOT of them are horrid, the experience is what's worth it.
                            Maybe so but experiences don't lead to some purpose. Well at least they don't seem to. Heck, go through life building up experiences and then you die and all those experiences become essentially purposeless again. It's like people who say lifes purpose/meaning is to acquire knowledge, bs, doesn't lead to any purpose or meaning, its just something to do whilst your here. Same with experiences.

                            Basically you're just wasting time till you die and how you waste that time is up to you.

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                            • #29
                              my life is more futile than yours.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Is (your) life futile?

                                Originally posted by Carolus Rex
                                Is there any meaning of life at all?

                                My life is completely insignificant; it won't change one single thing in this world. This assertion is not to be interpreted as an expression of some teenager's low self-esteem or pathetic depression of having been thrown away by a lover...

                                I truly believe it. Furthermore, I go on to claim that, in the bigger scheme of things, your life and every single individual's life is completely meaningless as well... I make that judgement without knowing you and I firmly believe I'm right...

                                Does this imply that life at an aggregated level (i. e. the existence of humanity) is meaningless too? Is the sum of a large number of totally insignificant parts also insignificant? I'm not sure about that one...
                                Never understood that problem. There's no "general" meaning of life - fine, but why is that a problem? Why should we even need that? Humans "produce" meaning, you just did when posting this thread.

                                I say we are better off without one clearly defined meaning of life.
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