Your tax dollars at work, Part MMMDCCCLXXXVIII

[el freako]

Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
Still, if we won't let former violent felons buy guns, why will we let former sex offenders buy viagra?

For the simple reason that rape etc are crimes of violence far more than they are crimes of sex.

Your analogy doesn't hold really - it's like saying that felons who committed violent crime should not be allowed to own TV's which can display violent images

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
Still, if we won't let former violent felons buy guns, why will we let former sex offenders buy viagra?

Um, I agree. I was trying to say they don't need viagra.

[Dis]

Originally posted by el freako


For the simple reason that rape etc are crimes of violence far more than they are crimes of sex.

Your analogy doesn't hold really - it's like saying that felons who committed violent crime should not be allowed to own TV's which can display violent images

his analogy is perfect, it's yours that is off . What does TV have to do with this discussion?

They use their penis as a weapon. That is the same as a gun.

If you want to argue against this argument, then you should also state that fists can also be a weapon. Therefore we should not allow criminals to buy weights (barbells and dumbells etc) so they can enhance their punching ability.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Originally posted by el freako


For the simple reason that rape etc are crimes of violence far more than they are crimes of sex.

Yes, but the crimes are committed with a particular, um, weapon, which Viagra allows them to, um load.

So, okay, I guess the analogy is to letting violent felons buy bullets. Is that better?

[Dinner]

Felons buy guns all the time thanks to the NRA. You can walk into a gun show and buy a gun for cash with no background checks and you don't even need a valid ID. You get your gun, you pay, and you walk out the door with it. The whole process takes 5 minutes. You can use a school ID or any other unvarified ID you please and 60 minutes did a program to prove it.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Dissident


sex offenders are never truelly cured. we only let them out because we don't have room in our prisons. We need that room for more important prisoners like those who deal in drugs. Yes republicans care more about getting rid of drugs than they do about little girls being raped.

False, sex offenses are amongst the crimes with the lowest recidival rate.

[Dinner]

ignore.

[Dinner]

A long term follow-up study of child molesters in Canada found that 42% were reconvicted of sexual or violent crime during the 15-30 year follow-up period.

http://www.johnhoward.ab.ca/PUB/C24.htm

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Dissident

They use their penis as a weapon. That is the same as a gun.

Beginning to understand the causes of rampant gun crime in the United States now, yes....

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Oerdin


Quoted so everyone can pwn the **** out of him without him editing.

There are sexual offenses other than child molesting, so try again.

[Fake Boris]

Actually my previous statement was a bit prematurate. The true bummer here is that:

In addition, the long-term follow-up study (15-30 years)of child molesters showed that the average recidivism rate for this group of offenders is actually lower than the average recidivism rate for non-sexual offenders (61% versus 83.2% respectively for any new conviction).

[Dinner]

That is, in Canada there is a 61% recidivism rate for sexual offenders versus a 83.2% recidivism rate for all criminals. That makes them below average but does it make them "among the lowest"? Theoretically a quarter of all criminal types could be worse. Still, Diss's claim was they were the highest which doesn't seem to be true but you haven't proven your point either.

Also I recall reading that sexual crimes like child molesteration are one of the hardest to prove since victims often don't come forward until years after the events. These figures only show reconvictions so in all likely hood the recitivism is occuring and it just isn't showing up as a conviction. My month is that sex offenders are atleast as bad as average when it comes to recitivism.

[Fake Boris]

"Recidivism" refers to repeat offenders after they've been jailed at least once, as it is meant to evaluate the efficiency of rehabilitation programs.

BTW, are you sure that the study considers the date of reconviction instead of the date of the crime?

I agree that saying the recidivism rate is "lowest" only makes sense when you compare sexual vs non-sexual, as the figure would probably be different if you included a lot of crime sub-types. Then my case was just that the alleged incurability of sex offenders is just a myth.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Oerdin
If medicaid provides medicine to citizens then sex offenders are citizens and so should be covered like everyone else. That is the only fair solution given that these people have done their time and have been released.

The only fair solution is to never release these predators back into society.

[Dis]

no, the fair solution is not to provide viagra. half the people using it aren't even impotent, they just want to be hard for long periods of time.

It's bull**** Viagra is covered by medicaid at all. Sex is a luxery. it's not necessary for human survival.