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    The New York Times has obtained a US army report that tells how American soldiers beat to death two prisoners and tortured numerous others in Afghanistan.




    The behaviour of the US soliders and officers are truely disgusting.

    Yeah, I know a lot of Americans here will try to make excuses, but it won't cut no water. What the American soldiers did was deadly torture, plain and simple. And then the brass tried to cover it up.

    It's sickening.

    What happened to you America? You should be, and could be a shining example of democracy, but instead you lower yourself to the likes of Saddam, Myanmar and China.

    Bringing freedom to the world, Bull ****

    If Americans have any decency then they should be ashamed of what happened and demand justice.

    Just look at some of the crimes committed by U.S. soldiers.


    - "He screamed out, 'Allah! Allah! Allah!' and my first reaction was that he was crying out to his god," Specialist Jones said to investigators. "Everybody heard him cry out and thought it was funny."

    "Other Third Platoon M.P.'s later came by the detention center and stopped at the isolation cells to see for themselves, Specialist Jones said.

    "It became a kind of running joke, and people kept showing up to give this detainee a common peroneal strike just to hear him scream out 'Allah,' " he said. "It went on over a 24-hour period, and I would think that it was over 100 strikes."

    - "They stood him up, and at one point Selena stepped on his bare foot with her boot and grabbed him by his beard and pulled him towards her," he went on. "Once Selena kicked Dilawar in the groin, private areas, with her right foot. She was standing some distance from him, and she stepped back and kicked him."

    - One of the coroners later translated the assessment at a pre-trial hearing for Specialist Brand, saying the tissue in the young man's legs "had basically been pulpified."

    "I've seen similar injuries in an individual run over by a bus," added Lt. Col. Elizabeth Rouse, the coroner, and a major at that time.


    - there was probable cause to charge 27 officers and enlisted personnel with criminal offenses... So far, only the seven soldiers have been charged, including four last week.

    - A cover up by senior officers: "Two months after those autopsies[that clearly indicated the men had been beaten to death], the American commander in Afghanistan, then-Lt. Gen. Daniel K. McNeill, said he had no indication that abuse by soldiers had contributed to the two deaths."

    - Soldiers claiming they did not receive training to tell them they should not beat people to death.

    - Another soldier told investigators that Sergeant Loring lightheartedly referred to Specialist Corsetti, then 23, as "the King of Torture."

    - Beating up the mentally disturbed: "Some of the same M.P.'s took a particular interest in an emotionally disturbed Afghan detainee who was known to eat his feces and mutilate himself with concertina wire. The soldiers kneed the man repeatedly in the legs and, at one point, chained him with his arms straight up in the air."

    - When the detainees were beaten or kicked for "noncompliance," one of the interpreters, Ali M. Baryalai said, it was often "because they have no idea what the M.P. is saying."

    - One M.P. said he had given him five peroneal strikes for being "noncompliant and combative." Another gave him three or four more for being "combative and noncompliant." Some guards later asserted that he had been hurt trying to escape.

    - "It looked like he had been dead for a while, and it looked like nobody cared," the medic, Staff Sgt. Rodney D. Glass, recalled.

    - Mr. Habibullah's [a prisoner] autopsy, completed on Dec. 8, showed bruises or abrasions on his chest, arms and head. There were deep contusions on his calves, knees and thighs. His left calf was marked by what appeared to have been the sole of a boot.

    - In interviews after their release, the men described their treatment at Bagram as far worse than at Guantánamo. While all of them said they had been beaten, they complained most bitterly of being stripped naked in front of female soldiers for showers and medical examinations, which they said included the first of several painful and humiliating rectal exams.

    - "In sworn statements to Army investigators, soldiers describe one female interrogator with a taste for humiliation stepping on the neck of one prostrate detainee and kicking another in the genitals. They tell of a shackled prisoner being forced to roll back and forth on the floor of a cell, kissing the boots of his two interrogators as he went. Yet another prisoner is made to pick plastic bottle caps out of a drum mixed with excrement and water as part of a strategy to soften him up for questioning."

    Shame on you America, shame on you.
    Golfing since 67

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    hmm

    I thought it was the germans who were into BFSM

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    • #3
      Americans, are you still proud of your soldiers?


      Yes.
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      • #4
        Re: Americans, are you still proud of your soldiers?

        [QUOTE] Originally posted by Tingkai
        The New York Times has obtained a US army report


        One of the coroners later translated the assessment at a pre-trial hearing for Specialist Brand


        So far, only the seven soldiers have been charged, including four last week.


        "In sworn statements to Army investigators


        Theres the difference.
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        • #5
          Why should I be ashamed of Oerdin? Do you know something about him I don't?
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
            Americans, are you still proud of your soldiers?


            Yes.
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            • #7
              Yes, I'm still proud of the majority of American soldiers who have never participated in the sickening crimes that a small number of other American soldiers have committed.
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              • #8
                Am I proud of our soldiers, as a group?

                Yes.

                Am I proud of these specific Abu Ghraib (sp!) torturers?

                Of course not.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by DinoDoc
                  Why should I be ashamed of Oerdin? Do you know something about him I don't?
                  Do you not see how these scum have sullied the good work done by people like Oerdin, MTG, TCO, Lancer, and others who I have every reason to believe have served their country with honour.
                  Golfing since 67

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                  • #10
                    Re: Re: Americans, are you still proud of your soldiers?

                    [QUOTE] Originally posted by lord of the mark
                    Originally posted by Tingkai
                    So far, only the seven soldiers have been charged, including four last week.

                    Theres the difference.
                    But there was probable cause to charge 27 officers and enlisted personnel .

                    How many of those who were charged are ordinary soldier? How many are officers?

                    The US military has a shameful record of punishing the low ranking soliders while the brass goes free.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Tingkai


                      Do you not see how these scum have sullied the good work done by people like Oerdin, MTG, TCO, Lancer, and others who I have every reason to believe have served their country with honour.


                      Well your thread title never distinguished the scum from the honorable type, such as Oerdin.



                      You unwittingly or deliberately (but don't want to admit it) lumped all US soldiers into the same category of scum.
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                      • #12
                        The US military has a shameful record of punishing the low ranking soliders while the brass goes free.


                        A common occurrance regardless of the institution. How many times, for example, was Stalin or Mao hauled up before tribunals?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by JohnT
                          Am I proud of our soldiers, as a group?

                          Yes.

                          Am I proud of these specific Abu Ghraib (sp!) torturers?

                          Of course not.



                          I have a bigger beef with the people in charge who threw the Geneva Conventions out the window and set the stage for crap like this to go down.
                          We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                          • #14
                            Re: Re: Re: Americans, are you still proud of your soldiers?

                            Originally posted by Tingkai


                            But there was probable cause to charge 27 officers and enlisted personnel .

                            How many of those who were charged are ordinary soldier? How many are officers?

                            The US military has a shameful record of punishing the low ranking soliders while the brass goes free.

                            seven have been charged SO FAR, according the article. Its certainly worthwhile to be careful in formally charging people with such serious crimes. Theres also the possibility that some may be engaged in plea bargaining in exchange for their testimony against others.


                            As for officers, when there is EVIDENCE against officers, they should be charged.
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                            • #15
                              Until these criminals are brought to justice, the U.S. military has no honour.

                              We had a similar problem in the Canadian military, much to my shame. The criminals were put on trial. the guilty were thrown in jail. And the regiment involved was disbanded.

                              Even then, I'm still ashamed about what the Canadian Airborne did in Somalia.

                              Are you ashamed of what your soldiers have done?Will you demand that justice be done?
                              Golfing since 67

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