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    This is a copy of a post I made on another forum. A certain article is currently cropping up all over the internet from BNP supporters- they are attempting to gloss over the criminal records of their criminal element by pointing out crimes committed by prominent members of other parties.

    If you see it, feel free to bear the following in mind.

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    I'll apologise in advance for the epic length of this post. I think I need to post it, as the assertions I'm attempting to debunk keep appearing on this forum.
    Over recent weeks, a certain article has been appearing all over the internet. It displays a list of supposed criminal actions undertaken by British political parties. This is the list in full.

    Conservative Party Criminals

    SEX

    • Tory Party General election candidate, Michael Powell – Convicted and jailed for 3 years for downloading hardcore child porn.

    • Tory Party Councillor (Wickbar/Bristol) Roger Talboys – Convicted and jailed for 6 years for multiple sex attacks on children.

    • Tory Party Vice-Chairman of Welsh Conservatives, Andrew Baker – Received a banning order for stalking women.

    • Tory Party MP (Billericay) Harvey Proctor – Stood trial for sex offences of a sado-masochistic nature against teenage boys, and was forced to resign.

    • Tory Party Councillor ( Stratford-upon-Avon ) Christopher Pilkington – Convicted of downloading hardcore child porn on his PC. Placed on sex offenders register and forced to resign.

    • Tory Party councillor ( Coventry ), Peter Stidworthy – Charged with indecent assault of a 15-year old boy.

    • Tory Party Mayor ( North Tyneside ), Chris Morgan – Forced to resign after being arrested twice in 2 weeks, for indecent assault on a 15-year old girl, and for suspicion of downloading child porn.

    • Tory Party MEP, Tom Spencer - Caught smuggling drugs and porn through customs.

    • Tory Party councillor and former Mayor (Wrexham), Michael Morris – Convicted and put on probation for 2 years, for the indecent assault of another man, which was captured on CCTV.

    • Tory Party Liaison Manager on the London Assembly, Douglas Campbell, who's job includes running the Tory GLA website - Arrested for allegedly downloading child porn. He is currently suspended while the Police investigation continues.

    VIOLENCE

    • Tory Party MP (Henley), Boris Johnson – Caught on tape plotting to have a man beaten up by a hired thug. The man was a journalist who had written an unsympathetic piece about Johnson's close friend – Convicted fraudster, Darius Guppy.

    • Tory Party Councillor (Folkestone – in Leader, Michael Howard's constituency), Robert Richdale – 41 year history of crime, involving 30 convictions and 5 prison sentences. Richdales enormous criminal record, which covers 10 pages of A4 paper, includes convictions for assault, theft, causing death by dangerous driving, forgery, drugs offences, possession of an offensive weapon, and sex attacks against underage schoolgirls. The Tory Party election campaign literature described Richdale as “a family man” who had a “compassionate personality”

    CORRUPTION

    • Tory Party councillor (Dudley), Abdul Quadus, who was also chairman of the Dudley Police Committee and a Tory Party spokesman on crime – Convicted and jailed for 6 months for passport fraud and assisting illegal immigration from his native country – Pakistan.

    • Former Tory Party Cabinet Minister, Jonathan Aitkin – Convicted and jailed for Perjury and Conspiracy to Pervert the Course of Justice.

    • Former Tory Leader of Westminster Council, Dame Shirley Porter – Fled to Israel to evade justice after indulging in fraud, corruption and gerrymandering on a massive scale, and stealing millions of pounds from local taxpayers.

    • Tory Party Councillor ( Margate ), Colin Kiddel – Forced to resign after Police investigation into his alleged theft and embezzlement of funds from the local `Dreamland` Amusement Park.

    • Former Tory Party Chairman and London Mayoral Candidate, Jeffrey Archer – Convicted and jailed for Perjury and Conspiracy to Pervert the Course of Justice.

    Labour Party Criminals

    SEX:

    • Labour Councillor (Newton Aycliffe) Martin Locklyn – Convicted and jailed for 15 years for sexually abusing 3 14-year-old boys.

    • Labour Councillor (North Lincolnshire) David Spooner – Convicted and jailed for 1 year for masturbating in front of 2 young boys.

    • Labour Mayor (Westhoughton/Lancashire) Nicholas Green – Convicted and jailed for 10 years for 3 rapes and 13 counts of indecent assault against little girls between the age of 6 and 10. He raped one woman on her wedding day.

    • Labour Mayor (Todmordon) John Winstanley – Convicted and jailed for rape and threats to kill. After raping and threatening to kill his terrified victim, Winstanley then ordered the woman to go on all fours before urinating on her.

    • Prominent Labour Party activist Mark Tann (who has met Tony & Cherie at Party functions) recently got a 15-year sentence for raping a 4-year old girl on 2 separate occasions.

    • Labour's current Parliamentary Candidate (Reading East) Tony Page – Has 2 Convictions for Acts of Gross Indecency` in public toilets.

    • Labour Mayor (Burnley) Mark Swainston – Convicted of sex offences in public toilet.

    • Entire Labour Party conspired to conceal the activities of Labour Party activist and serial child-molester Mark Trotter, who died from AIDS before he could be convicted.

    • Labour Councillor (North Yorkshire) Raymond Coats – Court appearance for indecently assaulting a woman.

    • Labour MP (Rhonda Valley) Chris Bryant poses in his pants on the Internet to advertise himself for casual gay sex encounters. Describes himself as “Horny as buggery” and says, “I'd love a good long ****”.

    • Labour Councillor (Manchester), George Harding – Charged with indecent assault on a girl of 12.

    • Labour MP Ron Davies was mugged by a Rasta on Clapham Common while cruising for gay sex. He was photographed again by the media recently, engaged in some `man-on-man` action in a field off a motorway. “I was only looking for badgers” he said.

    • Labour Councillor (Durham), Derrick Payne – Arrested by Police following a sex attack.

    • Labour MP, Joe Ashton – Caught up in a Police raid while frequenting a brothel. Tried to lie his way out of the scandal.

    • Labour Councillor (Shropshire), Derek Woodvine – Arrested by Police in anti-porn operation.

    • Labour Councillor (Basildon), Tony Wright – Forced to resign after being caught using his council computer to download porn.

    • Labour MP (Sheffield), Clive Betts – Suspended from Parliament for 7 days after being caught forging immigration papers to extend the stay of his Brazilian rent-boy gay lover.

    • According to media reports, the names of 2 former Labour Cabinet Ministers said to be `Household names` appear on the `Operation Ore ` list of subscribers to hard-core child pornography. The same FBI investigation, which led to the arrest of rock star Pete Townshend. So who are they Mr Blair?

    VIOLENCE

    • Labour Councillor (Kirkby, Merseyside) Charlie Preston – Convicted and jailed for 5 years in 1982 for assault and burglary. Preston broke into the home of a 64 year old man, and beat him up in his bed as he slept before robbing the house. The judge described the case as “As bad a matter of burglary as I can remember” Preston also holds the position on the Council of….. `Deputy Cabinet Member for Youth, Citizenship, and Community Safety`.

    • Labour Councillor ( Wales ) Denis Jones – Convicted and jailed for unlawful wounding after attacking a neighbour with a sledgehammer.

    • Labour Councillor ( Wales ) Ken Brookman – Bit off a mans ear in a dispute over a seat on a train!

    • Labour Councillor and former Mayor (Stockton), Keith Dobinson – Investigated by Police for alleged assault on an OAP, which left the old man of 79, hospitalised.

    • Labour MP, Tommy Graham – Expelled from Party for his part in driving a person to suicide.

    • Labour Councillors (Ilfracombe), Brian Cotton and Tony Cooper – Investigated by Police following serious allegations of Harassment.

    CORRUPTION

    • Labour Councillor (Sandwell) Mohamed Niwaz convicted of illegally obtaining £20,000 in Housing Grants.

    • Labour Councillors in Doncaster – 23 Convicted and 2 jailed for massive fraud, corruption and theft of public funds. Investigation also uncovered massive Labour Party corruption in neighbouring Rotherham .

    • Labour Party Councillor ( Blackburn ), Mohammed Hussein – arrested together with 6 Labour activists on suspicion of Election rigging.

    • Labour MP Mohammed Sawar ( Britain 's first Asian MP – Glasgow) was the subject of a major News of the World investigation a few years ago into bribery and corruption. Despite this, the massive Asian population in his constituency keeps him safely in his seat.

    • Labour MP (Leicester) and former Cabinet Minister, Keith Vaz - Investigated for fraud and corruption before quietly leaving his Europe Minister post with `health problems`. According to his former Secretary, Vaz does absolutely nothing in his constituency other than help local Pakistanis with their Immigration cases (which also helps to explain the `whites a minority` status of Leicester and the safe Labour seat of Mr Vaz)

    • Labour Party Euro MP, David Martin is currently being investigated for an alleged expenses fraud involving `hundreds of thousands of pounds`.

    • Labour Councillor (Glamorgan), Shawn Stringer – Forced to resign following Police investigation into financial corruption.

    OTHER

    • Tony Blair recently appointed his close friend/crony and colleague of his wife - Ken Macdonald as the new Director of Public Prosecutions, despite the fact he has a drugs conviction.

    • William Straw - Son of Labour Foreign Secretary, and former Home Secretary – Jack Straw, was cautioned by Police for drug dealing, amid a frantic Government attempt to cover up the matter and gag the media as to his identity. Jack Straw also has a brother who was convicted of a sex attack on a schoolgirl. Lovely family!

    • Homosexual mass murderer; Dennis Nielsen, who strangled and dismembered 16 young men in the 1980`s, was also a highly active member of Labour fringe groups such as the Anti-Nazi League, and the SWP. That's when he wasn't busy boiling peoples heads in a pot, or masturbating over the corpses of his victims.

    Liberal Democrat Criminals

    SEX

    • Lib-Dem Council candidate (Tower Hamlets), Justin Sillman – Convicted and jailed for 2 years for sexual abuse of young boys.

    • Lib-Dem Councillor and Mayoral Candidate ( Sheffield ), Francis Butler– Prosecuted for indecent assault of a young boy.

    • Lib-Dem Councillor ( Stockport ) Neil Derbyshire – Sexually assaulted a 16-year old boy in a public toilet. He was caught with a plastic bag containing lubricant, plastic surgical gloves, a condom, and underpants.

    • Lib-Dem Councillor ( Preston ), Bill Chadwick – Charged with: Making an indecent photograph of a child, Incitement to rape, Incitement to murder, Incitement to kidnap, and Incitement to torture. Chadwick's gay lover - Alan Valentine, is also a Lib-Dem councillor.

    VIOLENCE

    • Lib-Dem councillor (North Norfolk), Catherine Wilkins – Also a nurse until she was struck off the nursing register after being found guilty of mistreating patients and abusive behaviour.

    • Lib-Dem Parliamentary candidate ( Burnley ), Paul Wright – Charged with drunken assault on his `lodger`. Wright sobbed like a baby during the court case, and the case is to be re-listed and heard again after the jury failed to reach a verdict.

    • Lib-Dem Councillor ( Sheffield ) Trevor Morgan – Convicted and jailed for 9 months for unlawful wounding/dangerous driving. After attacking an elderly woman's Golden retriever dog by throwing pepper in its face, he then seriously injured the dog's owner – 57-year old Barbara Johnson, with his car as she tried to stop him escaping.

    CORRUPTION

    • Lib-Dem Councillor (Peterborough), Michael Jackson – Prosecuted for 21 counts of Theft and False Accounting.

    • 3 Lib-Dem Councillors convicted and jailed for Election Fraud in Hackney in 2001

    • 12 Lib-Dem officials convicted of Election Fraud in Oldham in 2001.

    • Julie Roberts – Convicted of 9 counts of benefit fraud in 2003. 2 weeks after the court case, she was elected as a Lib-Dem councillor in Leicester !

    • Lib-Dem councillor (Portsmouth), Ray Race – Convicted and jailed for 4 months for election rigging, along with Lib-Dem colleague Michael Hayward. Race was arrested again in July 2003 for threatening a witness who helped to convict him.

    • Lib-Dem councillor (Lambeth), Gabriel Fernandez – Forced to resign after being investigated for benefit fraud.

    OTHER

    • Former Liberal leader Jeremy Thorpe – Stood trail for conspiring to have his blackmailing gay lover murdered.
    This is such an impressively long list that it tends to be accepted without comment (or cannot be challenged due to the relevant thread being closed). However, I'm rather well-informed, I've got a long memory, and I've got a legal background. When I saw the list, I knew at once that a number of the claims were dodgy, to say the least. This afternoon, I spent a couple of hours checking things up, and I'd like to make the following notes to the list.

    Tory Party MP (Billericay) Harvey Proctor – Stood trial for sex offences of a sado-masochistic nature against teenage boys, and was forced to resign.
    (Due to changes to the age of consent, those "sex offences" would be highly unlikely to attract police attention these days)

    Tory Party MEP, Tom Spencer - Caught smuggling drugs and porn through customs.
    (A few cannabis joints and some gay porn. Shocking)
    Tory Party MP (Henley), Boris Johnson – Caught on tape plotting to have a man beaten up by a hired thug. The man was a journalist who had written an unsympathetic piece about Johnson's close friend – Convicted fraudster, Darius Guppy.
    (Ridiculous bumbler he may be, but he's no thug. Read a more accurate account here-http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,1293085,00.html)

    Labour's current Parliamentary Candidate (Reading East) Tony Page – Has 2 Convictions for Acts of Gross Indecency` in public toilets.
    Labour Mayor (Burnley) Mark Swainston – Convicted of sex offences in public toilet.
    (Which, coincidentally, looks like becoming legal between consenting adults- as was the case in these cases)

    Entire Labour Party conspired to conceal the activities of Labour Party activist and serial child-molester Mark Trotter, who died from AIDS before he could be convicted.
    (Good luck with backing that one up. You'll find a distinct lack of any charges or convictions)

    Labour MP (Rhonda Valley) Chris Bryant poses in his pants on the Internet to advertise himself for casual gay sex encounters. Describes himself as “Horny as buggery” and says, “I'd love a good long ****”
    (So what? This is not a crime.)

    Labour MP, Joe Ashton – Caught up in a Police raid while frequenting a brothel. Tried to lie his way out of the scandal.
    (Pffft. Who wouldn't? Again, this is not a crime.)

    Labour Councillor (Shropshire), Derek Woodvine – Arrested by Police in anti-porn operation
    (No illegal porn was involved and no charges were brought- http://www.melonfarmers.co.uk/arne0399.htm)

    According to media reports, the names of 2 former Labour Cabinet Ministers said to be `Household names` appear on the `Operation Ore ` list of subscribers to hard-core child pornography. The same FBI investigation, which led to the arrest of rock star Pete Townshend. So who are they Mr Blair?
    (At this point, one needs to bear in mind that a significant number of names on the Operation Ore list have been cleared. That's identity theft for you. Charges were also never brought against a certain "Mr Mickey Mouse", for example)
    Labour MP, Tommy Graham – Expelled from Party for his part in driving a person to suicide.
    (Wrong. "An internal investigation cleared him of playing any part in a smear campaign against Mr McMaster prior to his death - an accusation the dead MP made in his suicide note. ". He was actually expelled for bad-mouthing Irene Adams MP, who is very much alive and well. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/168370.stm)

    Labour Councillors (Ilfracombe), Brian Cotton and Tony Cooper – Investigated by Police following serious allegations of Harassment.
    (All charges were dropped- http://www.positivelyilfracombe.co.uk/news_archive.htm)

    Labour MP Mohammed Sawar ( Britain 's first Asian MP – Glasgow) was the subject of a major News of the World investigation a few years ago into bribery and corruption. Despite this, the massive Asian population in his constituency keeps him safely in his seat.
    (That and the fact that he was tried, and found Not Guilty)

    Labour MP (Leicester) and former Cabinet Minister, Keith Vaz - Investigated for fraud and corruption before quietly leaving his Europe Minister post with `health problems`. According to his former Secretary, Vaz does absolutely nothing in his constituency other than help local Pakistanis with their Immigration cases (which also helps to explain the `whites a minority` status of Leicester and the safe Labour seat of Mr Vaz)
    (Leaving aside the distasteful race issue, it's worth noting that, despite extensive investigation, no charges were ever brought against Keith Vaz due to lack of any evidence).

    Labour Party Euro MP, David Martin is currently being investigated for an alleged expenses fraud involving `hundreds of thousands of pounds`.
    (He was cleared in EU investigations- http://www.thecourier.co.uk/output/2...5886689t0.asp. "The fact the accusations were coming from his estranged wife’s family in the midst of a messy divorce seemed to neutralise the issue as far as other political parties were concerned"
    . http://news.scotsman.com/politics.cfm?id=650862004)
    Tony Blair recently appointed his close friend/crony and colleague of his wife - Ken Macdonald as the new Director of Public Prosecutions, despite the fact he has a drugs conviction.
    (As a student in 1971 he sent 0.1 grams of cannabis in the mail. That's 0.1 grams. Whoop-de-doo)
    William Straw - Son of Labour Foreign Secretary, and former Home Secretary – Jack Straw, was cautioned by Police for drug dealing, amid a frantic Government attempt to cover up the matter and gag the media as to his identity. Jack Straw also has a brother who was convicted of a sex attack on a schoolgirl. Lovely family!
    (Observant readers will notice that none of the accused are politicians- this is a smear attempt through innuendo)

    Homosexual mass murderer; Dennis Nielsen, who strangled and dismembered 16 young men in the 1980`s, was also a highly active member of Labour fringe groups such as the Anti-Nazi League, and the SWP. That's when he wasn't busy boiling peoples heads in a pot, or masturbating over the corpses of his victims.
    (Neither of the two groups listed as "fringe groups of the Labour Party" are actually connected to the Labour Party. I think the average SWP member would take great exception at that tag, in fact.)
    Former Liberal leader Jeremy Thorpe – Stood trail for conspiring to have his blackmailing gay lover murdered.
    (This trial was a legendary farce, but I note that there's no mention of the fact that Thorpe was acquitted.)
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    (Continued)-

    Furthermore, please take note of the large number of cases cited that detail "Court appearances", "charges" or "investigations". I have investigated ten of those cases, and only found a record of a conviction in only one.

    This post is appearing all over the internet, being cut'n'pasted by people either unwilling or unable to check what they post. This is my attempt to set the record straight as far as I can. I would welcome input from anyone able to provide more information to clarify these cases, as I'm sick of seeing people duped by innuendo.

    One final point- there remains a number of names who were definitely convicted. The acid test of whether a political party is respectable or not revolves around how they handle such cases. If they are expelled (or punished in accordance with crimes of lesser severity) then I am reassured. If they remain in positions of policy-making power, I am not. I suspect I'm not the only one to feel that way.
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    • #3
      Thread summary?

      "BNP is teh suckarse"
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      • #4
        Do people actually take the BNP seriously?
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
          One final point- there remains a number of names who were definitely convicted. The acid test of whether a political party is respectable or not revolves around how they handle such cases. If they are expelled (or punished in accordance with crimes of lesser severity) then I am reassured. If they remain in positions of policy-making power, I am not.
          Of those who were definitely convicted, which ones remained in positions of policy-making power?
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          • #6
            To the best of my knowledge, only the DPP guy.
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            • #7
              I don't know what you mean by "the DPP guy".

              And didn't you just say there were "a number of names" of people who were definitely convicted?
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              • #8
                He did say that and then you asked him which had stayed in positions of policy making power of which he only knew of one.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Caligastia
                  I don't know what you mean by "the DPP guy".
                  The bloke convicted of sending 0.1 grams of cannabis through the post as a student.

                  And didn't you just say there were "a number of names" of people who were definitely convicted?
                  I certainly did. Observe the names with "convicted" in the first list.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by MikeH
                    He did say that and then you asked him which had stayed in positions of policy making power of which he only knew of one.
                    Oops, sorry...my mind is on other things...
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
                      The bloke convicted of sending 0.1 grams of cannabis through the post as a student.
                      Not what I would call a heinous crime...

                      Stupid move on behalf of the BNP...why bring up past crimes of opponents when it's bound to attract scrutiny to your own?

                      Still, I like that the BNP has brought the issue of uncontrolled immigration to the fore.
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                      • #12
                        Gotta love BNP scumbags. They manage to lower the debate to even worse lows

                        I guess that's because it's horribly wrong to have consensual sex in a public toilet, while there's nothing wrong with beating the crap up of a browner?
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Caligastia
                          Stupid move on behalf of the BNP...why bring up past crimes of opponents when it's bound to attract scrutiny to your own?
                          There already is scrutiny on their own, thats why they are mudslinging.
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