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    Hmmmm well isn't this just wonderful



    Frist's Hypocritical and Dishonest Attack on Democracy

    January 4, 2005

    Documents obtained by American Progress show Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist participated in an effort to block one of Bill Clinton's judicial nominees via filibuster, then lied about it.

    In recent weeks, Frist has been relentlessly preaching about the evils of judicial filibusters. Speaking to the Federalist Society on November 12, Frist said filibustering judicial nominees is "radical. It is dangerous and it must be overcome." [1] Frist called judicial filibusters "nothing less than a formula for tyranny by the minority." When Bill Clinton was President, however, Frist engaged in the same behavior he is now condemning.

    In 1996 Clinton nominated Judge Richard Paez to the 9th Circuit of the United States Court of Appeals. Conservatives in Congress held up Paez's nomination for more than four years, culminating in an attempted filibuster on March 8, 2000. Bill Frist was among those who voted to filibuster Paez. [2]

    Frist was directly confronted with this vote by Bob Schieffer on Face the Nation (11/21/04). Schieffer said "Senator, a group called The American Progress Action Fund sent me a question to ask you. And here's what it says: 'Senator Frist, if you oppose the use of the filibuster for judicial nominations, why did you vote to filibuster Judge Richard Paez when President Clinton nominated him to the 9th Circuit?'" [3] Frist replied "Filibuster, cloture, it gets confusing--as a scheduling or to get more information is legitimate. But no to kill nominees."

    But American Progress has obtained a document that proves Frist was not, as he suggested, voting to filibuster Paez for scheduling purposes or to get more information. He voted to filibuster Paez for the very reason he said was illegitimate – to block Paez's nomination indefinitely.

    On March 9, 2000, Former Senator Bob Smith (R-NH) issued a press release describing the intent of the Paez filibuster vote the day before. The release says Senator Smith "built a coalition of several moderate and conservative Senators in an effort to block" Paez's nomination. [4] Frist was a part of that coalition. Smith did not organize the filibuster to get more information on Paez (after all his nomination had been pending for four years). He organized the filibuster because he had already decided Paez was "out of the mainstream of political though and...should [not] be on the court" [Click here to read Smith's press release].


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    [1] Frist Addresses Federalist Society 2004 National Convention, 11/12/04
    [2] Cloture Motion RE: Nom. of Richard Paez to be U.S. Circuit Judge, 3/8/00
    [3] Face the Nation, 11/14/04
    [4] Smith Leaders Effort to Block Activists Judges, 3/9/00
    Old republican press release:


    Frist on the Senate floor:


    SEN. SCHUMER: Isn’t it correct that on March 8, 2000, my colleague [Sen. Frist] voted to uphold the filibuster of Judge Richard Paez?
    SEN. FRIST: The president, the um, in response, uh, the Paez nomination - we’ll come back and discuss this further. … Actually I’d like to, and it really brings to what I believe - a point - and it really brings to, oddly, a point, what is the issue. The issue is we have leadership-led partisan filibusters that have, um, obstructed, not one nominee, but two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, in a routine way.

    The issue is not cloture votes per se, it’s the partisan, leadership-led use of cloture votes to kill - to defeat - to assassinate these nominees. That’s the difference. Cloture has been used in the past on this floor to postpone, to get more info, to ask further questions.
    Stop Quoting Ben

  • #2
    Is this even surprising?
    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
    - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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    • #3
      Just a question: are there any honest politicians in the US?
      (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
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      (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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      • #4
        Is there an honest politican anywhere?
        “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
        - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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        • #5
          Yes.
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          • #6
            I don't know. Are you going to be one, Imran?
            (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
            (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
            (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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            • #7
              Hell no! I'll be as crooked as the rest of 'em .

              All kidding aside, I'd probably never go into politics as I'm sure I'll have to end up doing something distasteful, simply to save my job.
              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
              - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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              • #8
                ** waits for Shi and DD to come into this thread
                A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Urban Ranger
                  Just a question: are there any honest politicians in the US?
                  Just a question: are there any mods who aren't trolls?
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                  • #10
                    And many Democrats used to be against the filibuster when it suited them to be so. Politicians are all self-serving douchebags...
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Urban Ranger
                      Just a question: are there any honest politicians in the US?
                      We had one in Minnesota, but he died in a plane chrash and was replaced by Norm Coleman.

                      I want Senator Wellstone back.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by MrFun
                        ** waits for Shi and DD to come into this thread
                        Why? I'm on record saying that the modern filibuster is way too powerful and easy to maintain. I want a return to the old style on force people to stand and talk. It'd be a much better use of Frist's power than the "nuclear option."
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                        • #13
                          So much for Frist's argument that filibuster is "unconstitutional." If he thinks its acceptable in a circumstance like Paez, then by default it must be constitutional.

                          What a tool.
                          Tutto nel mondo è burla

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                          • #14
                            I knew Frist was a hack when The Daily Show ran that clip of him trying to dance around Stefanopolous' question about how AIDS is transmitted.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Berzerker
                              I knew Frist was a hack when The Daily Show ran that clip of him trying to dance around Stefanopolous' question about how AIDS is transmitted.
                              Isn't Frist a doctor?

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