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  • The end of the Euro?

    Or at least the end of the perceived strength of the Euro. Portugal expects to announce a deficit of some 6 to 7% of its economy, a huge amount over the figure forecast by the IMF just a month ago. Why such a big surprise? It's like the Greece Olympic budget shenanigans. But how can Germany and France complain when they were first in line to gut the growth and stability pact?

    I can see why the UK and some other European countries hesitate to join the Eurozone.

    Rising deficits in Portugal and Italy rattle eurozone
    By Peter Wise in Lisbon, Adrian Michaels in Milan and George Parker in Brussels
    Published: May 17 2005 18:40 | Last updated: May 17 2005 18:40

    GraphicThe 12-country eurozone was hit on Tuesday by revelations that the economic situation in two of its weakest members, Italy and Portugal, could be even worse than feared.

    Domenico Siniscalco, Italy's finance minister, was forced to downgrade his country's growth forecasts for the second time in a month, warning that the economy might not grow at all.

    Meanwhile, in Portugal it emerged on Tuesday that the centre-left government was pursuing policies that could take four years to bring the country's budget deficit below the European Union's limit of 3 per cent of GDP. Growing divergences in the eurozone were described last weekend as “seriously worrying” by Jean-Claude Juncker, the Luxembourg chairman of the eurogroup, and they are causing concern at the European Central Bank.

    The rising deficits in Italy and Portugal present an early test for the 12-country club over its willingness to apply budget discipline, amid fears that the March decision to relax the EU's stability and growth pact is already leading to fiscal loosening.

    Joaquin Almunia, EU monetary affairs commissioner, is determined to put pressure on both countries to cut their deficits and reform their economies, by proposing action under the pact next month. “The pact is still alive,” Mr Almunia told the FT last week.

    Mr Siniscalco said yesterday that the Italian government would lower this year's growth forecast again after the country's plunge into recession in the first quarter.

    The economic gloom contrasted with the arrival finally of some good news for the government of Silvio Berlusconi, as the centre-right coalition fared unexpectedly well in local elections in Sicily.

    Mr Siniscalco told politicians on Tuesday that Italian growth could be 0.6 per cent. Only last month he was forced to downgrade the forecast from 2.1 per cent to 1.2 per cent.

    He added: “If growth were zero, the deficit would be 4 per cent. I don't know if growth will be zero or 0.6 per cent, it's too early to tell.”

    Portugal's centre-left government, which took office in April, is bracing itself for a strongly adverse reaction from international financial markets and the European Commission when a special commission reports new figures for the budget deficit next week.

    Government officials expect the commission headed by Vitor Constâncio, governor of the central bank, to report a deficit between 6 and 7 per cent of gross domestic product.

    In an effort to offset the impact of the report, the government is preparing sweeping measures to combat its budgetary crisis, which it fears could undermine the country's international credibility and incur disciplinary action by the Commission.

    The worsening outlook in the two countries will rekindle the debate about whether they should have joined the single currency in 1999.

    Germany had strong doubts during the 1990s about whether the economies of the “Club Med” countries were ready. As part of the currency union, they are denied the traditional escape routes from economic trouble: devaluation or cuts in interest rates.

    With their deficits already above the EU's 3 per cent limit, neither government has scope to cut taxes or raise public spending.

    “They necessarily face a slow and painful economic reform process,” said Jean Pisani-Ferry, director of Bruegel, the Brussels-based economic think-tank.
    I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

  • #2
    And this is why Britain shouldn't join the Euro.
    Hehe....burr.

    Looshkin's Lair

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    • #3
      I want the Guilder back! It turned out the Dutch Guilder was 20% underrated when we made the change
      Within weeks they'll be re-opening the shipyards
      And notifying the next of kin
      Once again...

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      • #4
        You can get back into the empire if you want.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Hueij
          I want the Guilder back! It turned out the Dutch Guilder was 20% underrated when we made the change
          I know the whole country wants the drachma back. I don't know about Holland but here the changeover made everyone poorer.

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          • #6
            What empire?
            Within weeks they'll be re-opening the shipyards
            And notifying the next of kin
            Once again...

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            • #7
              and this is why switzerland should not join the EU. (but we will vote YES for schengen/dublin to bring the economy more in line with europes)
              "Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito Mussolini

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              • #8
                Well, I honestly don't give a diddle about whether Finland uses markka or euro, and from what I know not a lot of other Finns do, either.

                Anyway hasn't euro supposed to have ended like 15 times already, it's starting to be like PC gaming in that respect
                "Spirit merges with matter to sanctify the universe. Matter transcends to return to spirit. The interchangeability of matter and spirit means the starlit magic of the outermost life of our universe becomes the soul-light magic of the innermost life of our self." - Dennis Kucinich, candidate for the U. S. presidency
                "That’s the future of the Democratic Party: providing Republicans with a number of cute (but not that bright) comfort women." - Adam Yoshida, Canada's gift to the world

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                • #9
                  Ironically negative things said about the euro right now are positive for the euro.

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                  • #10
                    the markka was kinda ****ty tho. you had to carry around too many, especially when you went shopping (food at Prisma, and booze at the local Alko)
                    "Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito Mussolini

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                    • #11
                      At least if markka came back I could start using the term 'mummoneuro' until everybody hit me with sticks.

                      Oh mummonmarkka how I hate you as a term
                      "Spirit merges with matter to sanctify the universe. Matter transcends to return to spirit. The interchangeability of matter and spirit means the starlit magic of the outermost life of our universe becomes the soul-light magic of the innermost life of our self." - Dennis Kucinich, candidate for the U. S. presidency
                      "That’s the future of the Democratic Party: providing Republicans with a number of cute (but not that bright) comfort women." - Adam Yoshida, Canada's gift to the world

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by paiktis22
                        Ironically negative things said about the euro right now are positive for the euro.
                        Elaborate.
                        Hehe....burr.

                        Looshkin's Lair

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                        • #13
                          mummoneuro reminded me of the commissioner almunia who if you delete the inital "al" and the final "a" it becomes the female genitalia in slang. although the al adds some spanish flair to it.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Gen. Atkinson


                            Elaborate.
                            A little devaluation to the dollar and the dollar pegged youan wouldn't be unwelcomed.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by paiktis22
                              mummoneuro reminded me of the commissioner almunia who if you delete the inital "al" and the final "a" it becomes the female genitalia in slang. although the al adds some spanish flair to it.
                              If you delete the initial "al" and the "i" it becomes Finnish-language slang for male genitalia. There has to be some sort of a conspiracy involved here, probably related to the fact that both countries have a blue-white flag.
                              "Spirit merges with matter to sanctify the universe. Matter transcends to return to spirit. The interchangeability of matter and spirit means the starlit magic of the outermost life of our universe becomes the soul-light magic of the innermost life of our self." - Dennis Kucinich, candidate for the U. S. presidency
                              "That’s the future of the Democratic Party: providing Republicans with a number of cute (but not that bright) comfort women." - Adam Yoshida, Canada's gift to the world

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