French Study: Abortion puts future births at risk of death or a disability

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Az
Just pointing out the hypocricy.

Volountary Human Extinction is based on the principle of ceasing to reproduce, not suicide.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Az
that's a fallacious comparison, and we both know it.

I disagree.

I consider the right to abortion to be inherently a good thing (actually, I consider contraception+abortion to be the greatest things that come from the 20th century). Just like I consider medicine to be inherently a good thing.

These good things have their flaws, the side effects. Like with modern medicine, abortion has its side effects. Like with modern medicine, the side effects of abortion do not go completely against the abortion's mission (you can still have children after an abortion, even though you have higher odds of encountering problems). That's different from 19th century medicine, which often killed instead of curing.

Had this study been about the anti-AIDS medication, nobody would have claimed the medication should be banned. Instead, the comments would have been akin to "the scientists ought to look at this problem, and try to solve it". That's because nobody here has a philosophical opposition to anti-AIDS medication. And that's because the side effect is not bad enough that it warrants a ban.

When Shi says this study is a reason to ban abortion, it's because he already wants abortion banned. It's a philosophical opposition, not a medical one. Even if a study had shown that abortion made healthier future babies, Shi wouldn't have changed his opinion. Because his opinion has nothing to do with medical concerns.

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by Ecthelion


And what are you trying to tell us?

I have no idea.

[Ecthy]

Schpäm?

Spiff, I'm glad there's at least one around who understands my parallelisms. This be stupid board.

[BeBMan]

Jau

[Fake Boris]

Re: French Study: Abortion puts future births at risk of death or a disability

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
Now here's an excellent reason for banning Abortion. It seems this unsafe medical procedure effects more then the women making the "choice", it also effects any future children the women may have by killing them or giving them a severe disability.

Nice try. Is the government to ban every practice that increases the risk of early birth?

[Jon Miller]

no, but like smoking it should at least be discouraged

Jon Miller

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
no, but like smoking it should at least be discouraged

Jon Miller

Why?

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Spiffor
Now, that's a good reason to develop an abortion method that deals with such problems, so that abortion can become safer.

Do you people regularily call for banning useful medical procedures when side-effects are discovered, or do you call for more research in the area?

Medications have been forced off the shelves and surgical procedures banned for less.

Abortions in the US are legal, so they're generally done in established medical facilities with the best technology currently available. The techniques used to carry out an abortion of course vary according to how old the baby is.

Anyway, this is old news to the medical community. It's been known for better than twenty years.

[Jon Miller]

if it makes it more likely that future births are at risk, than it is an health issue

and good health should be encouraged by the state, as the state is responsible for paying for bad health..

alos, currently we are killing living humans, which is bloody murder (abortions after the point where brainwaves are detected (hence an independent being) are murder, and should be agreed to by open minded secular people who aren't monsters)

Jon Miller

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Why?

There's really excellent evidence that second hand cigarette smoke significantly harms the people around a smoker.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Spiffor
I consider the right to abortion to be inherently a good thing (actually, I consider contraception+abortion to be the greatest things that come from the 20th century).

Even better than civ or teh internets?!

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
There's really excellent evidence that second hand cigarette smoke significantly harms the people around a smoker.

I thought that evidence had been dismissed. Many conservatives routinely bring it up as "junk" science. I don't know that much about the issue.

[Ecthy]

Abortion is definitely not one of the best outcomes of the 20th century. not noly because it's been around before that. it just isn't that great. gives an answer to a problem WE never had.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
Medications have been forced off the shelves and surgical procedures banned for less.

In general, when such a thing happens, it means that there are other medications or other procedures that can do the job. At least in France, the only radical medication-ban I can think of (one that left a complete void) was a sometimes lethal vaccine against Hepatithis type C. There have been some other bans that left a void, but they were for convenience medication, rather than for essential ones.