War between the western allies and the Sovs in '45. Who wins?

[Lancer]

Also, the strategic bombers would have taken out that huge factory in the east that turned out 50 T34s a day...

The Germans could never reach it but the allies certainly could, flying from the south.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Lancer
Rail lines and bridges, sure... Rail lines behind Sov lines, not ours. Bridges used to supply Sov forces, not western.

Which rail lines?

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Lancer
Also, the strategic bombers would have taken out that huge factory in the east that turned out 50 T34s a day...

The Germans could never reach it but the allies certainly could, flying from the south.

Yes, and the Soviets would have massed everything they have and spearheaded towards Antwerp. Bla bla.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Joseph
It was, just not in great numbers.

About 20 of them saw sum action and they did not lose when they did see action.

We had around 60 of them for Feb, March, April, and May 1945

Actually 310 saw action of 1436 produced before June 1945. Total production in 1945 was 2000, but that of course was merely the winding down of production that had just begun. The army presumed that heavy tanks would not be needed for the campaigns planned in Japan in late 1945.

[Lancer]

Antwerp was a long way away and the Soviet armies had to stop every hundred miles to bring up supplies for the next push. These stops could last months. During the first of these stops the allied tank busting tactical air would have done the same thing to Sov armor they did to the German at the Bulge.

Also, the allies had sticky bombs don't forget.

[Dr Strangelove]

The Soviets would have required an extra long rest period to subjugate eastern germany.

How long was the Red Army's rest period at the gates of Warsaw? Three or four months?

I wonder, Stalin waited 3 years befor precipitating the Berlin crisis. Perhaps that was how long it took to rebuild his Army and his infrastructure sufficiently enough provide a decent chance of winning the conflict he hoped to goad the western allies into starting.

[Lancer]

I think I nailed 'em with the sticky bombs.

[Propaganda]

War between the western allies and the Sovs in '45. Who wins?

Albert Einstein is proven right.

[Lancer]

'45

Only bombs were American bombs. Also, we're postulating that those bombs would not be used. Why? Because then the Sovs would lose very quickly, and we would have nothing to BS about.

[Ned]

Originally posted by BlackCat


Yes, it's a nice piece, but it was not at the battlefield and therefore not relevant.

Yes it was. It was used by the US from 1945. It was deployed in Europe.

[Ned]

Originally posted by BlackCat


You don't get it. The problem is if you could keep a foothold long enough to get those new types in action.

Besides those that would reach in time would be so green that they still would have been target practice for the experienced soviet units.

Don't think that armor or firing capability is all that matters - especially against an opponent that don't care much about losses.

BlackCat, they were deployed already.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


Hm, your link doesn't say the Pershing was an even match with the Tiger. I don't think so either. The Pershing was better than the Sherman, but not up to snuff.

Besides, the Pather was better than the Tiger anyway.

Well, as Joseph said, the US tank saw action against German armor and scored victories 1 on 1. We took no losses, it appears. The tank might have been just as good if not better than the German tanks, and clearly equal or better than the Russian.

It is also true that our war production was prodigious. We could have equiped all armored units in Europe in months with the new tank. Once that was done, the Sov's would have had a really hard time stopping us.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by BlackCat

Yes, it's a nice piece, but it was not at the battlefield and therefore not relevant.

They weren't yet common, but they were on the field. My uncle drove one across Remagen bridge during the battle there.

[Lancer]

Uncle Sikander

Panzer busting American tank US drove across the bridge at Remagen...

http://www.battletanks.com/m26_pershing.htm

USA! USA! USA!

[Carolus Rex]

Originally posted by BlackCat

You still seem to forget that soviet airforces are stronger than the german so there will not be the air superiority they was used to.

No, I don't forget. I disagree.

Having a stronger airforce than the Germans had in 1945 doesn't say much. The Luftwaffe had been wiped out; even Denmark had a stronger airforce than the Germans in may 1945!

The facts are that the Russians would be constantly bombed, while the Allies would ship in tons and tons of equipment and men without any danger. The Allies already had this flow going since June 1944... It's like ship chaining in Civ 2...

My other point is that the US would have lots of equipment to ship due to their industrial capacity, which in addition was unharmed by the war... The Russians didn't have the same capacity and their economy had been inflicted heavy damage...

Carolus