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  • #16
    Listen, the lawyers don't care. This joke is only an inside joke for a small number of nerds like yourself.
    I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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    • #17
      Originally posted by DanS
      Listen, the lawyers don't care. This joke is only an inside joke for a small number of nerds like yourself.
      1) Who said the lawyers care?
      2) Whose fault is it if you don't get the joke?

      The instructions I've given weren't intended to be read by lawyers. They were intended to be read by the SCO discovery teams to analyse the CMVC information.

      These are "computer experts" they assembled for this exact purpose.

      Implied or not, the instructions provided are borderline insulting. I don't buy your excuse that it was required, and your further excuse that it's an implied requirement -- because the intended audience is clear, and this is akin to defining the English grammar to a lawyer or explaining laws to them in a submission of evidence.
      "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
      Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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      • #18
        I don't buy your excuse
        Have you ever participated in discovery?
        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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        • #19
          Originally posted by DanS
          Have you ever participated in discovery?
          The document was in a readme on the source. It was not in the legal documents accompanying the submission.

          This level of snide detail was also not even close to being present in previous admissions during the discovery process in this case.

          I call BS on you for all of the above reasons.
          "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
          Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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          • #20
            Hey, whatever gets your rocks off.
            I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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            • #21
              I hate to be Captain Obvious here but no one else has chimed in and it's time to go to bed:

              The reason the documents were so incredibly thorough was because SCO has to hire outside experts to analyze the information in a timely matter. Do you have any idea how much this will cost them?

              Do you have any idea how little money SCO has?

              IBM was verbose as possible to inflate the data that needed to be sifted through. It wasn't due to the "implied requirements" to assume the reader has an IQ of 5 and is unaware how to turn on the server...

              Sorry Danny.
              "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
              Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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              • #22
                It's amazing the amount of stuff that you know that just isn't so. They will be able to organize the discovery and plow through the highlights just fine. They do this all the time. They're pros at it.
                I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by DanS
                  It's amazing the amount of stuff that you know that just isn't so. They will be able to organize the discovery and plow through the highlights just fine. They do this all the time. They're pros at it.
                  You've obviously never used CMVC.

                  It's possibly the worst version management system to ever exist. It's painful to use and takes forever to do simple tasks.

                  The discovery is NOT a simple task. I don't understand how you can possibly think they'll "plow through it".

                  What "highlights" are you talking about?

                  Do you have any idea what this is about? Because it sounds like you're on another planet.

                  This isn't a case where you can get some "pros" to summarize 80GB of data and then have the legal team "plow" through the summary...

                  You're dealing with a massive array of documents and 15 years of changes to an incredibly complex piece of software. This is anything but something you can "plow" through.
                  "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                  Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                  • #24
                    European service and management jobs mostly.
                    You think 10,000 jobs aren't important?

                    But in the EU, doesn't a company have to pay 2/3 salary for life until a new job or retirement to every employee it lays off? That's what I heard. We need something like that here in the States, to prevent unscrupulous bigheads halfway across the country from closing productive, profitable plants.
                    meet the new boss, same as the old boss

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by mrmitchell
                      You think 10,000 jobs aren't important?
                      3% of the workforce isn't something that concerns me much, especially considering it's in a different group of IBM with a completely different management chain and direction on another planet.

                      For what it's worth, the service reps I've dealt with from Europe I felt were grossly underqualified. Maybe that has something to do with it, and their underperformance compared to the North American counterparts.
                      "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                      Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                      • #26
                        You're dealing with a massive array of documents and 15 years of changes to an incredibly complex piece of software. This is anything but something you can "plow" through.
                        They printed out the contents on 900,000 pages, right? Once it's on paper, they'll organize it in broad categories and plow through it.

                        This isn't tough to imagine.
                        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by DanS
                          They printed out the contents on 900,000 pages, right? Once it's on paper, they'll organize it in broad categories and plow through it.

                          This isn't tough to imagine.
                          This isn't an essay, DanS.

                          Pagecount doesn't matter.

                          AIX is mishmash of a large amount of programming languages -- including ones that not many people know, like PLX and RPG, also.

                          It boggles my mind how you think that they'd "organize it into broad categories" and "plow through it". You have so obviously never worked on any software enginering projects.

                          You are so far out to left field now that it's ceased being funny.
                          "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                          Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                          • #28
                            This isn't even funny in the first place, you dweeb. I posted only so that you would realize that.
                            I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                            • #29
                              3% of the workforce isn't something that concerns me much, especially considering it's in a different group of IBM with a completely different management chain and direction on another planet.

                              For what it's worth, the service reps I've dealt with from Europe I felt were grossly underqualified. Maybe that has something to do with it, and their underperformance compared to the North American counterparts.
                              Whoah, whoah, whoah. It doesn't have anything to do with IBM. Employment is a two-pronged deal: the employees produce for the employers, but the employers care for the employees in return. What matters is 10,000 people with families who have depended upon IBM for a source of work will be out of it soon.

                              I'm not one to support deadbeat workers, but if a big executive or a single group isn't acting within the proper standards for IBM, do it on a case-by-case basis. There's no need to suddenly toss out thousands of qualified, intelligent, good workers.

                              They printed out the contents on 900,000 pages, right?
                              Well that makes it easy. Just hire 1,000 lawyers and each of them only has to sort through 900 pages.
                              meet the new boss, same as the old boss

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by DanS
                                This isn't even funny in the first place, you dweeb. I posted only so that you would realize that.
                                It'd not funny to you, because you would appreciate the instructions on how to power on a server.

                                It's funny to the rest of us geeks who are a bit more in-tune with the mindset of the people who are going to have to do this discovery process.
                                "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                                Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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