An interesting site on the role of France in the Ivory Coast...

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by Lancer
"So, this is to justify the Iraq War or what?"

Actually this is about "the role of France in the Ivory Coast".

What do you think of what France is doing in the Ivory Coast?

No better than what the US did in Iraq. Which makes it all the more laughable how you righties are quick to point out France's less-than-stellar imperialist record as if it somehow justified the US's record.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

let those without sin cast the first stone. the conservatives in america are covered in sin. so are the democrats. since im a libertarian, im white as lace. im casting the first stone, thank you very much, and i have the moral high ground to say that everyone who criticizes what France is doing and supports the war in Iraq is a hypocrite should be punished as per Leviticus 20:15 (revised standard version)

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
1500 for 9 deaths in Ivory Coast: =166
100,000 for 2900 deaths in Iraq: = 34.48

American pacifism is mathematically superior

that's nothing -- you should how many I kill in one sitting of Medievl Total War

[Lancer]

I have this desire...fantasy even...I dream that some sunny day, or some bright moonlit night, someone, anyone...will want to discuss the thread subject. Call me optimistic, unrealistic...I admit it's a long shot.

Maybe I just need to aim high to make it through these dark times...

:sniff:

[Dinner]

Re: An interesting site on the role of France in the Ivory Coast...

Originally posted by Lancer
"French forces had killed Ivorian civilians and destroyed a sovereign state’s air force to reassure 15,000 compatriots and to avenge the deaths of nine soldiers."

http://mondediplo.com/2005/04/10diop

The Ivorian "governemnt" is run by a brutal military dictator who has lost control over much of the country. The French negotiated a cease fire between the government and the rebels which the government alost immdediately violated by massacring civilians in a raid on rebel held areas. The French peace keepers intervined and the government forces started shooting at the French soldiers so the French responded by bombing the **** out of most of the government buildings and military sites. Pretty reasonable really.

Now the government backers hate the French and claim they have sided with the rebels.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
conservatives never let the facts get in the way because they are unamerican and traitors.

Amen brother man.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Lancer
I have this desire...fantasy even...I dream that some sunny day, or some bright moonlit night, someone, anyone...will want to discuss the thread subject. Call me optimistic, unrealistic...I admit it's a long shot.

Maybe I just need to aim high to make it through these dark times...

:sniff:

What was the original topic again?

[KrazyHorse]

The French intervention is pretty reasonable, and will likely have a much better cost/benefit ratio than will Iraq, which is why I support the one but not the other.

Same with the recent multinational intervention in Haiti...

[Lancer]

"The Ivorian "governemnt" is run by a brutal military dictator who has lost control over much of the country. The French negotiated a cease fire between the government and the rebels which the government alost immdediately violated by massacring civilians in a raid on rebel held areas. The French peace keepers intervined and the government forces started shooting at the French soldiers so the French responded by bombing the **** out of most of the government buildings and military sites. Pretty reasonable really.

Now the government backers hate the French and claim they have sided with the rebels."

On topic that's an on topic post. I kept the faith, stayed with it through the rough times...and there it is. Oerdin, thank you.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
let those without sin cast the first stone. the conservatives in america are covered in sin. so are the democrats. since im a libertarian, im white as lace. im casting the first stone, thank you very much, and i have the moral high ground to say that everyone who criticizes what France is doing and supports the war in Iraq is a hypocrite should be punished as per Leviticus 20:15 (revised standard version)

pure genius

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by Lancer
I have this desire...fantasy even...I dream that some sunny day, or some bright moonlit night, someone, anyone...will want to discuss the thread subject. Call me optimistic, unrealistic...I admit it's a long shot.

Maybe I just need to aim high to make it through these dark times...

:sniff:

I have this desire...fantasy even... I dream that some sunny day, righties like you will stop being hypocrites b*tching about everything France does when it's exactly the same kind of crap the US does (on a smaller scale of course) yet you support.

[Lancer]

Master Zen, congrats! Your dream has come true. Please find where I *****ed about that, or anything. I just asked what people thought, that's all.

You guys went off on amazing tangents accusing me of all sorts of stuff but I didn't react at all. You see, I was just wondering what people thought about France and the Ivory Coast because I don't know much about it.

It really showed me how fixated you guys are on antagonistic politics though. You guys really need to get out more.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Leviticus 20:15 " If a man lies with a beast, he shall be put to death; and you shall kill the beast."

poor horse . . . or was it sheep?

[Dinner]

Man, New Zealand would lose half of it's population and most of its sheep.

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by Lancer
Master Zen, congrats! Your dream has come true. Please find where I *****ed about that, or anything. I just asked what people thought, that's all.

You guys went off on amazing tangents accusing me of all sorts of stuff but I didn't react at all. You see, I was just wondering what people thought about France and the Ivory Coast because I don't know much about it.

It really showed me how fixated you guys are on antagonistic politics though. You guys really need to get out more.

Oh cut the crap.

Let's see...

1) Righties need to justify the wars they support.

2) Righties hate France.

3) Righties see France does the same crap US does when it suits them

4) Righties b*tch about France expecting lefties to defend France

5) Righties claim how can lefties defend France yet condemn US? What hypocrites!


I can't count how many times this argumentative process has happened. However this time it ended like this:


6) Lefties do not defend France, righties get pre-empted by accusations of hypocrecy instead.


replace France with Clinton and US with Bush and its the exact same thing. Same horse being beat. Get it now?