The iPod is dead. Long live the iPod.

[DaShi]

[Pekka]

UR, don't make me laugh either. Let's look at the N90 model. AAAND quote "One of the other handsets - the N90 - uses a Carl Zeiss lens to improve the quality of camera images users."

Now, 2 megapixel camera with Carl Zeiss lens.. in a freaking phone! If you want to capture the sporting events and make the national geographics photos, then of course you don't use a mobile phone to do it. However, if not actively shooting professional type of things, this is STARTING to truly challenge,comparing price, and all that. And the technology is getting better all the time. That is one crazy performance from small phone, where taking photos is only one thing it can do.

As for iPods, well, iPods are cool so we'll see. The battery lifetime will be a problem, at least with Nokia if they use HD. Then again, they can then use the HD for many other purposes as well, like storage those photos, storage anything.

And yes, Symbian should be MurderKilled. It's freaking nightmare. AT least for me

[Dinner]

I love the smart phones. In aother year when the cameras are decent and the sound quality is up then I'm going to replace my current Nokia with one of these convergence devices.

[Pekka]

Oerdin, well, it won't be too long, Nokia is coming up with some exciting things in the future, just like other mobile companies.

When people say, that well yeah a phone is a phone so I don't want to buy a thing that does some other things half assed as well. That's not where it's going. They don't even call it the cell phone anymore. It's mobile device/gadget. The thing is that the resources of a cell phone has been very limited for a long time, as far as memory, CPU and other performance limiting factors go. But now the vision is not a cell phone, but mobile device. There are tons of technology and applications to be done, and the challenge is keep it mobile sized and mobile priced. The trade off hasn't been always very good, like with the pictures etc, but it's slowly getting there.

[Agathon]

Wait until the iPhone Shuffle comes out.

It will ring up contacts at random and play them short bursts of annoying music just to remind them you exist.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Bosh
The landline in on its last legs over here. In none of my last three apartments was there even a phone jack let alone a landline...

No broadband without a landline.

[Az]

Landlines

[Urban Ranger]

Re: Re: Re: The iPod is dead. Long live the iPod.

Originally posted by DaShi
Yes, because better technology will never be developed. Maybe in your country.

Not like you have any taps on the grapevines

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Pekka
UR, don't make me laugh either. Let's look at the N90 model. AAAND quote "One of the other handsets - the N90 - uses a Carl Zeiss lens to improve the quality of camera images users."

Which N90? The Nikon one?

Originally posted by Pekka
Now, 2 megapixel camera with Carl Zeiss lens.. in a freaking phone! If you want to capture the sporting events and make the national geographics photos, then of course you don't use a mobile phone to do it. However, if not actively shooting professional type of things, this is STARTING to truly challenge,comparing price, and all that.

Since I haven't looked at the gadget I am going to reserve my comments until later.

Originally posted by Pekka
And the technology is getting better all the time.

We still can't bend x-ray with lenses yet. Which means there is a physical lower barrier to how small components can get on an integrated circuit. Besides, lenses aren't going to get much smaller.

Originally posted by Pekka
And yes, Symbian should be MurderKilled. It's freaking nightmare. AT least for me

Too bad, the sales went up.

[Pekka]

at you dude.

What are you? A professional photographer? Haven't you ever read any thoughts of professional photographers? one of the most famous quote goes, that it doesn't matter what equipment you have, how many times you take the photo, how professional you are, but the japanese tourist with his 10 euro camera can walk next to you, take one picture that is way better than yours and walk away.

This is mobile device concept, not professional photography concept. you can't even spot the differencies in quality most of the times, unless you're the kind of a person who spends 9 hours straight figuring out if a picture is fake or not, and claim it's fake because you found something, and it turned out to be real after all.

You just are not sensible. And obvioulsy pissed off because mobile devices are marching on and soon taking your .. I don't know.. job, life and house!

Yeah too bad the sales went up.. wait a minute.. not.. and unless you want to talk about the programming, application or OS side of the mobile devices, don't ignite the discussion on that or Hulkamania will run wild on you BROTHER!

[Dinner]

The reason mobiles out number landlines world wide is because landline systems are very expensive to build so developing countries just don't bother to buld them. That is a mistake in the long run since it limits broadband access which is vital to creating an advanced economy now days.

[Last Conformist]

I suspect there's rather more than a year till phones have digicams with the capicity of mine. And a bit further till I can stuff my entire music collection into something cellphone-sized.

That said, convergence is a laudable trend with great promises for the future.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Pekka
This is mobile device concept, not professional photography concept.

Oh, I am not saying that the camera inside them mobile phones isn't getting better. I am just disputing Starchild's notion that they can seriously threaten standalone digital cameras. It may even be good for some purposes, say, you see this hot babe walking down the street...

Originally posted by Pekka
you can't even spot the differencies in quality most of the times, unless you're the kind of a person who spends 9 hours straight figuring out if a picture is fake or not, and claim it's fake because you found something, and it turned out to be real after all.

Crazy ramblings, Pekka, crazy ramblings

Originally posted by Pekka
You just are not sensible. And obvioulsy pissed off because mobile devices are marching on and soon taking your .. I don't know.. job, life and house!

Not likely

Originally posted by Pekka
Yeah too bad the sales went up.. wait a minute.. not.. and unless you want to talk about the programming, application or OS side of the mobile devices, don't ignite the discussion on that or Hulkamania will run wild on you BROTHER!

/me decides not to poke Pekka further on this subject

[Last Conformist]

I think he meant "wife", not "life".

[Pekka]

UR, yes I thought you were replying to me, where I first said that it's not there yet, and that it's just one thing you can do and thus it won't ever be better than a real camera. Of course not. Even if the picture quality would somehow get a bit better, the usability of a camera is so much better, obviously meant for taking pictures.

OK then. I just mixed up my comments and thought you were taking charge on them, so my fault and mistake. I won't apologize though.