The Sunshine Policy is Stupid: Part MCCXXIV

[Riesstiu IV]

Originally posted by Lonestar


Obvviously a well thought out line of reasoning. It's astounding they tapped Rice to be Secretary of the State instead of you!




Or doing those things could leave us in the crapper when things go bad and we have nowehre to base out of.

We currently have 20,000 troops in South Korea. If North Korea invades, those troops aren't going to be able to withstand 1 million North Korean soldiers. Why not just withdraw the remaining 20,000? There’s little point in keeping them there. And of the South Korean people don’t want our soldiers there then why not obey there wishes and leave?

But you have to admit there is no point in stationing troops in Europe. Nobody is going to invade Europe and if they do the EU is capable if defending itself.

Its costly and a waste of money to have a troops stationed in perfectly stable nations that are capable of defense. I’m in favor of the US curbing spending as much as possible in order to pay of our insane debt.

[Lancer]

"the EU is capable if defending itself."

Yes, but is it capable of defending itself from itself? Now you see why we're still there...

[:) Smiley]

Would you rather escalate, when the world's largest artillery barrage is aimed at Seoul?

Taiwan is in a similar situation and is doing that. There's definitely an economic "sunshine policy" going on, with lots of investment in businesses in China. It's good to give economic help, but there's no need to be a lapdog.

[Az]

Yes, but is it capable of defending itself from itself? Now you see why we're still there..

no, I don't actually.

[Lancer]

Az, times are good now. People have jobs and nazis aren't fighting commies in the streets for control. I recall during my lifetime when they were still doing this. Italy, Greece, France iirc. Anyway, times might go sour next week or ten years from now. If they do and europeans start killing each other the American forces deployed there could act as a deterent, or as a force to help the Germans invade France.

You recall the two world wars, how hard it was for the democracies to convince the US to get involved? Well, nobody wants that to happen again, so we/they don't really want us to leave. (Except if you're a mindless 17 year old commie socialist know it all )Getting back could be a pain. You know, landing craft, machine guns sweeping the beaches, that sort of thing.

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by Agathon

I completely agree. Why, next people will be wanting to overthrow the Dear Leader!

The people who write things like that just want to replace one dear leader with another.

I could be the next Dear Leader. A very benevolent one, you know.

[Riesstiu IV]

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You recall the two world wars, how hard it was for the democracies to convince the US to get involved? Well, nobody wants that to happen again, so we/they don't really want to leave. Getting back could be a pain. You know, landing craft, machine guns sweeping the beaches, that sort of thing.

They say the third times a charm. I doubt Europe will ever fight amongst themselves again since they've been pussiefied. Plus if we had to do it again we could just fire some missiles and pretend we liberated Europe or something.

[Az]

Originally posted by Lancer
Az, times are good now. People have jobs and nazis aren't fighting commies in the streets for control. I recall during my lifetime when they were still doing this. Italy, Greece, France iirc. Anyway, times might go sour next week or ten years from now. If they do and europeans start killing each other the American forces deployed there could act as a deterent, or as a force to help the Germans invade France.

You recall the two world wars, how hard it was for the democracies to convince the US to get involved? Well, nobody wants that to happen again, so we/they don't really want us to leave. (Except if you're a mindless 17 year old commie socialist know it all )Getting back could be a pain. You know, landing craft, machine guns sweeping the beaches, that sort of thing.

In that case, I fear what your opinion is one what should the europeans do for the case that america will have another civil war.

[Lancer]

"In that case, I fear what your opinion is one what should the europeans do for the case that america will have another civil war."

Well the opinion on that might depend on whether you're a yankee patriot or rebel scum.

However they will no doubt do what they are best at.

[Urban Ranger]

Re: The Sunshine Policy is Stupid: Part MCCXXIV

Originally posted by Bosh
Sad sad sad sad sad. I'm really hoping that the right-wing Han Nara Dang sweeps the next elections and unseats these jokers.

And how is that going to help?

[Bosh]

UR:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6271-2005Jan13.html

China Defends Raid on S. Korean Lawmakers' Beijing News Conference

By Philip P. Pan
Washington Post Foreign Service
Friday, January 14, 2005; Page A15

BEIJING, Jan. 13 -- The Chinese government on Thursday defended its decision to raid a news conference called by visiting South Korean legislators to discuss the status of North Korean refugees in China, accusing the lawmakers of inciting North Koreans to enter the country illegally and break into foreign embassies to seek asylum.

Kong Quan, a spokesman for the Chinese Foreign Ministry, rejected demands by the South Korean officials for an apology, instead suggesting they apologize to China for what he described as "very improper behavior." Speaking at a regular briefing, Kong also denied that Chinese security agents had roughed up journalists during the raid.

In Seoul, the South Korean government called in the Chinese ambassador to express concern about the incident and demand an explanation, but stopped short of lodging a formal protest. The opposition Grand National Party urged a tougher stand and condemned China's "rudeness and arrogance."

"This is in one word an insult to the Republic of Korea and a violence toward lawmakers who represented the people," the party said, according to the Associated Press.

Four legislators from the party who were on a fact-finding mission to China called a news conference Wednesday to urge the Beijing government to show leniency toward refugees from North Korea and to release South Korean activists jailed for helping them. But Chinese security agents cut the lights in the hotel meeting room, then shoved dozens of journalists out of the room. The men struck at least one photographer on the head.

Reporters Without Borders, an international media advocacy organization, said China was using "unacceptable methods" to stop Chinese and foreign journalists from reporting on North Korean refugees and said it had sent a letter of protest to the Chinese foreign minister.

More than a dozen plainclothes agents took part in the raid, during which they refused repeated requests to identify themselves. On Thursday, Kong described them only as "personnel from departments protecting order" and said they had denied attacking any journalists.

He acknowledged that Chinese security officers should identify themselves when carrying out their duties but blamed the incident on the South Koreans, saying the officers had advised them not to hold the news conference. He also said that only one of the lawmakers had been invited to China and that the three others were traveling on tourist visas.

"My feeling is they didn't come to China to seek friendship or understanding or to expand cooperation," he said. "They called together the international media in a big way to support and incite incidents that violate Chinese laws and regulations. . . . I think this itself is very improper. Their behavior should be more cautious and self-disciplined."

Kong declined to say if the legislators had broken any laws. Asked by a South Korean reporter whether the visitors needed China's permission to hold a news conference, Kong replied: "I want to ask the legislators from your country: Do they have the right to do whatever they like in another country and incite people to violate that country's laws and regulations? This is a serious question, and I hope you clear this up before making comments about China's actions."

Kong also defended China's handling of what he called "illegal border-crossers" from North Korea, describing his government's policies as "most humanitarian."

As many as 300,000 North Koreans are believed to be living in China after fleeing repression and starvation in their homeland. The Beijing government says they are economic migrants, refuses to grant them refugee status and routinely sends those it apprehends back to North Korea, a communist ally. Human rights groups have protested, saying the repatriated refugees usually face imprisonment and sometimes execution.

Good for them

[Az]

Bosh
Borscht.

[Bosh]

Borscht
Bleck, my forefathers couldn't good worth ****.

[Az]

Dude, Borscht with Mayo and garlic is TEH 80M8.

[Urban Ranger]

Boshko,

I don't think there is one single country in this world would accept illegal aliens. Not the US, not Canada, not the UK, not France, not the Netherlands IIRC. Why should the PRC be any different?