Stinking Fwench Government Whores Sell Soul (again) and Tiawan to Chinese Commies

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by notyoueither


I'm glad you see no danger in France encouraging China (a nuclear power) to start a war that would involve the US (another nuclear power).

Who the hell is supposed to be Green around here, anyway?

And again you treat me the way you treated Spiffor. I didn't say there was no danger, I was only mocking the general attitude of the old folks "OMG!!11!! commie imperialists brought us this close to nucleatr oblivion!1!". My grandfather and father are like this too, don't worry, many players are still in your team, but their numbers will soon be fading.

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Does this mean that people who claimed France wasn't an ally were right?

The way the US has been losing friends and allies these past few years its hard to keep track.

[DinoDoc]

You still love us right, Horse?

[DanS]

I am lost; a no cost position for the US and the large spending of French money is not good for you. What would you want? It seems that you did not understand that ITER is a fundamental research project expected to last for 30 years or more.

Your attitude is not against France, it is against the project. But it is obvious that the US has enough energy for its long term needs.

All I'm saying is that if it's to be built in France, it will be mostly by French money. If it's to be built in Japan, it will be mostly by Japanese money. The EU doesn't have anything to do with it from the US perspective, other than the fact that France is part of the EU. In either event, the US monetary contribution will be modest and any backlash from the EU besides France for our support of Japan will be modest, because the EU understands this to be French-driven. Our scientists can make it to Japan from the West coast just as easily as they can make it to France from the East cost. Since this is fundamental research, we will get the results no matter how much we pay or where we spend the money. France and Japan won't get any more results by virtue of being the host country and spending all of this money.

So we will support our closer ally -- Japan. They want it badly and have put together a nice package not inferior to France's. Japan is also a much bigger country and has more scientific, economic and political clout than does France. We know where our bread is buttered.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
You still love us right, Horse?

Australians don't give a **** about the US. They just like an excuse to kill people.

[Drake Tungsten]

[Az]

Australians.

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by DanS


All I'm saying is that if it's to be built in France, it will be mostly by French money. If it's to be built in Japan, it will be mostly by Japanese money. The EU doesn't have anything to do with it from the US perspective, other than the fact that France is part of the EU. In either event, the US monetary contribution will be modest and any backlash from the EU besides France for our support of Japan will be modest, because the EU understands this to be French-driven. Our scientists can make it to Japan from the West coast just as easily as they can make it to France from the East cost. Since this is fundamental research, we will get the results no matter how much we pay. France won't get any more results by virtue of being the host country and spending all of this money.

So we will support our closer ally -- Japan. They want it badly and have put together a nice package. Japan is also a much bigger country and has more scientific, economic and political clout than does France. We know where our bread is buttered.

This is not really convincing. In fact, the only convincing explanation of the US attitude on ITER, is that the US wants to sabotage the ITER project because they aim at developing alone the fusion energy. They were honest in withdrawing from the project for this reason in 1998. There coming back in 2002 was only motivated by their desire to slow or stop the project, particularly now that China is participating.

The EU has now a deep experience of cooperative associations; the US think that nothing of value can be shared with others. One could anticipate that the next association for a project, whatever it is, will build some protection against predatory associates.

[Az]

Let's not get sidetracked on the ITER. I think that the fact that participation is going on, at all, is disgraceful. In the current scope of the project, each one of the countries could pull it off alone just fine. ( China, Japan, EU, US)

[DanS]

Originally posted by DAVOUT


This is not really convincing. In fact, the only convincing explanation of the US attitude on ITER, is that the US wants to sabotage the ITER project because they aim at developing alone the fusion energy. They were honest in withdrawing from the project for this reason in 1998. There coming back in 2002 was only motivated by their desire to slow or stop the project, particularly now that China is participating.

The EU has now a deep experience of cooperative associations; the US think that nothing of value can be shared with others. One could anticipate that the next association for a project, whatever it is, will build some protection against predatory associates.

I can't help but view that as a bizarre conspiracy theory and so say that we must agree to disagree on this one.

[DanS]

Originally posted by Az
Let's not get sidetracked on the ITER. I think that the fact that participation is going on, at all, is disgraceful. In the current scope of the project, each one of the countries could pull it off alone just fine. ( China, Japan, EU, US)

While true, this is basic research. A public good. If everyone can defray a portion of the cost for it, then that's attractive. "Competition" on basic research is silly.

[Az]

Oh, sure, sure.

I would love if the UN had the cash to do it itself, for example.

Still, better researching something inefficiently, rather than not researching it at all, as what seems the case now.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Az
Still, better researching something inefficiently, rather than not researching it at all, as what seems the case now.

Your wish may well be granted on July 1st. IIRC, the EU has said that the deadline for a decision is the 30 June.

[Az]

I trust the EU to pour some money into this.

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
You still love us right, Horse?

450 Australian infantry deploying to Iraq this week......