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  • #61
    How far are we ahead of the Chinese in total value of manufactured goods?
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    • #62
      Originally posted by Spiffor
      Ugh. Even German cars don't look that much like a concrete block.
      The only German cars I'm really familiar with are BMW, Mercedes, Audi and Volkswagen. They all look a lot better than the average American car.

      EDIT: Oh, and Porsche, of course.
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      • #63
        Originally posted by Oerdin
        How far are we ahead of the Chinese in total value of manufactured goods?
        China's economy on an exchange rate basis is something like $1.7 trillion. I don't have specific figures, but we can expect that about 40% - 50% of that is manufacturing. So manufacturing is about $700 - $800 billion per annum, over half of which is exported.

        The US economy is about $12 trillion, 13% of which is manufacturing, or about $1,560 billion.

        $1,560 billion / $800 billion = about 2x

        Maybe somebody else would be able to vector you for numbers with closer tolerances.
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        • #64
          Originally posted by Spiffor

          * Spiffor madly frothes at the mouth

          I hate the guts of these new Renaults. They are monstrous, and they're the one reason I could possibly not buy a Renault the day I buy a car.
          I liked the old Citroen XM though.
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          • #65
            Ford's bonds have been rated one notch above junk for a couple of years actually, and so are GM's (but not sure since when).

            Too bad Sten isn't around anymore, I'm sure he'd have something interesting to tell about it.
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            • #66
              "Too bad Sten isn't around anymore"

              Yeah, that's right...
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              • #67
                One tiny point, Eordin. It's Daewoo, not Deawoo.
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                • #68
                  Actually, it's Chevrolet every where but Korea now.
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                  • #69
                    In Korea, Daewoo Motors is now GM Daewoo Motors, actually. And Samsung Motors is now Samsung Renault Motors.

                    On the other hand, Daewoo is still Daewoo for whatever other concerns still survive that implosion.
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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Oerdin
                      Actually, it's Chevrolet every where but Korea now.
                      Sure? Isn't it more like Daewoo everywhere but the US?
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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by rah
                        It's their UAW contract that killing them. It offers no flexibility. If you lay off a worker and still have to pay them 95% of their salary through the end of the current contract (2007) it's hard to stream line operations.
                        Average salary around 46,000 with benfits around 28,000. Makes it damn hard to compete.
                        BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



                        Blaming labor.
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                        • #72
                          Daewoo exists in the US, but it never got off the ground--the parent company went bust before the second year the car was here, stateside.

                          Daewoo is big as a brand name throughout parts of Europe, Eastern Europe specifically (iirc), the Middle East, and other parts of the world, but after Daewoo Motor's purchase by GM, I'm not sure if it'll stay that way.
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                          • #73
                            Unions have their place, Ted. It's just too often, some unions refuse to take a hit for the team, and thus contribute to a company's downfall. *coughUnitedcough*

                            This doesn't mean management gets off scott-free, since often times, they're the ones who helped drive the company into such dire straits, but.
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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Ted Striker


                              BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



                              Blaming labor.
                              Why do you think the Japanese locate their US operations far away from Detroit, preferably in the south?
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                              • #75
                                Not labor, Ted.

                                Labor unions. And the idiot execs who sign their contracts.

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