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How much information should the govt know about us in today's world in order to keep us safe?
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30Security16.67%5Privacy50.00%15They are equally important26.67%8Banana6.67%2I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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Security first.
Things are pretty private about six feet under. -
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Lots about you very little about me.
The republican agenda, indeed!
On topic:
Much more about the public domain, and less in the private domain, IMHO.Comment
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Privacy first.
Things are pretty safe and secure about six feet under.B♭3Comment
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You say that as if it were a bad thing. And wait a second I resent being called a republican.Originally posted by Az
Lots about you very little about me.
The republican agenda, indeed!
"Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy CarterComment
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Kid, come on. That question is all wrong to begin with, and when you put it like that, the game is lost.
Those two shouldn't be overlapping each other. Privacy is security many times. There's no price on privacy, like there is not one on security, but which one can you still get to some extent by yourself? It's not the privacy dude.... that's not so mething YOU can control. Give it up, never get it back. But you can still trust your .357 and tight jeans. When it comes down to it, you are as secure as you are now, but you are never as secure as you think you are meaning you are more secure or less secure, but there's very little you can do about it (except the bottom line, self defense security), it's out of your hands, but if you let the privacy go, hey, .. for what? why? For security? For Nandorlath? For some other weird word? What does it mean.. what's the real life application. Where are the results. What is the threat? .... security... you think you are secure in an airplane? You think you are safe eating expired milk? Sure you are. So... what's on your mind? Terrorists? Commies? Random muggers? And giving up your privacy helps you in this matter exactly HOW? What are the odds? THe only effect you will see is you losing your privacy, period. The two are not matching.
Privacy is part of freedom, and if you lose that, why would you even desire security? IT would protect your.... freedom? Nah you lost it.. your... personal health against attackers? Nah, that's impossible, unless there are thought robots to attack your attackers before they do it.
The lacking security feeling.. is often false. If you want more security, buy a bigger gun. That's the way it is. Always has been, always will be. Nothing to do with privacy. Intelligence info schminfo. BS.In da butt.
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I don't want to sound like Bush because I hate that line about the terrorists wanting to take our freedom away, but isn't security freedom too.Originally posted by Pekka
Privacy is part of freedom, and if you lose that, why would you even desire security? IT would protect your.... freedom?
In whole I agree that the two are overlapping though. At some point taking about privacy can make you less secure.
I think what we really need to do is create laws and government that will use information about us to help us, but not to harm us.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett KavanaughComment
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NO! I meant they shouldn't be overlapping
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Security part of freedom, in my opinion, no. Security is an added bonus, that should be kept minimal but sufficient.
Terrorists don't want your freedom, trust me on this one. And when you think about it, they c an't take your freedom. You are the only one who can take your own freedom. It's ntosomething someone could steal..
Plus, giving privacy away or bits of it won't exactly help to solve that problem, or prevent all attacks, or even majority of them.
If you ask me.. what's it worth.... if there is one attack we can prevent if privacy is taken away to some extent.. what is it worth.. the 100 lives it saved? I don't think so. Take a chance. Ride the bus, ride the train, roid your vains, odds are nothing will happen to you.In da butt.
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Both privacy and security are important. It's because of established orders (which hinder our complete privacy as well as our complete freedom) that we are not living in an extremely violent environment, where the strongest does whatever he wants to the weaker.
You are much safer in a country where you aren't free to kill/rape/molest whomever you want, and that has the ability to enforce these bans (i.e. modern societies, which are MUCH different in this regard to pre-industrial societies).
OTOH, I think the attacks on privacy today are going too far, as it is now possible to track you in all of your activities safe for the basest ones. I've said it in the past and I'll continue to say it: if the Eastern german secret police had the tools our police/banks/online vendors/supermarkets take for granted today, they'd cream their pants in joy. Nearly everything can be known of you, with very little effort."I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
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Re: Security vs. Privacy
from what? In some cases it would be preferable to have the government know more, in most it would be preferable to have it know less.Originally posted by Kidicious
How much information should the govt know about us in today's world in order to keep us safe?Comment
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Privacy until a city gets nuked, then security.Long time member @ Apolyton
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Crap Pekka. You could be the ****ing president with all this freedom this **** and freedom that ****.Originally posted by Pekka
NO! I meant they shouldn't be overlapping.
Security part of freedom, in my opinion, no. Security is an added bonus, that should be kept minimal but sufficient.
Terrorists don't want your freedom, trust me on this one. And when you think about it, they c an't take your freedom. You are the only one who can take your own freedom. It's ntosomething someone could steal..
Plus, giving privacy away or bits of it won't exactly help to solve that problem, or prevent all attacks, or even majority of them.
If you ask me.. what's it worth.... if there is one attack we can prevent if privacy is taken away to some extent.. what is it worth.. the 100 lives it saved? I don't think so. Take a chance. Ride the bus, ride the train, roid your vains, odds are nothing will happen to you.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett KavanaughComment
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Security is not freedom.
I'll use the computer as an analogy.
A secure computer is one that is locked down. The user isn't able to do jack ****, can't install, can't connect to the webternets, but you know what? His data is completely safe. He's secure. Sure, he'll run out of new and interesting things, and he'll stagnate, but at least he's safe.
On the other hand, if someone has privacy, such as an anonymizer, and has taken decent precautions to protect herself, such as a firewall, AV software, and knows that it's bad ****in' idea to go down unlit intarweb alleys, then she deserves all the freedom she can get. If she's got a superfirewall and can defender herself, why not give her the freedom to go completely unregulated to, say, porn sites, or political sites, without being tracked?
Privacy and self-responsibility for personal security. You're plenty secure when you're dead.B♭3Comment
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I always wonder about the creepy mortician necrophiliacs tho'.Originally posted by Q Cubed
Privacy and self-responsibility for personal security. You're plenty secure when you're dead."Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy CarterComment
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