Protests Tomorrow

[Dracon II]

If the French and Germans could do it... jeez... what does that say about the Chinese and the Japanese?

[Kuciwalker]

Another world war or two?

[Dracon II]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Another world war or two?

A marginal question on the subject: was Manchuguo like Vichy France? To what extent did the Emperor's puppet Government collaborate with the Japanese? I know some pretty nasty stuff with chemical weapons and what not went on there.

[Kidlicious]

I think the world ought to do more to put pressure on China to stop anti-nation propaganda. I think this is some real ****ed up crap.

[DaShi]

The protests were lack-luster compared to Shanghai, but there was some property damage. However, the news reports that no damage was done by protesting students. It was done by former Tiannanmen Square protestors, members of Falun Gong, and one farmer who single-handily destroyed seven cars. In other news, the Japanese so moved by the protests apologized, gave all their money to China, and committed ritualistic suicide; George Bush sprouted a wings and a halo and declared world peace after destroying America's nuclear weapons supply with his eye beams, and then Saudi Arabia announced that every Friday would be called National We Love Israel Day. Frankly, I don't think the Chinese propaganda machine is even trying anymore.

My students were not able to take part in the protests this weekend. Only certain schools were allowed to go. Instead, they were huddled into classrooms where they could be monitored by their Chinese teachers. Their only consolation was that they were permitted to protest in their classrooms, if it was anti-japanese protesting.

[Dracon II]

Originally posted by DaShi
The protests were lack-luster compared to Shanghai, but there was some property damage. However, the news reports that no damage was done by protesting students. It was done by former Tiannanmen Square protestors, members of Falun Gong, and one farmer who single-handily destroyed seven cars. In other news, the Japanese so moved by the protests apologized, gave all their money to China, and committed ritualistic suicide; George Bush sprouted a wings and a halo and declared world peace after destroying America's nuclear weapons supply with his eye beams, and then Saudi Arabia announced that every Friday would be called National We Love Israel Day.

For all I understand when I'm watching CCTV news on SBS, they could well be saying **** like that...

Although calling their market reforms "socialism with Chinese characteristics" is just as stupid....

And what are they thinking calling their national ideology "Marxism-Leninism-Mao Zedong thought-Deng Xiaoping thought"? Sounds pretty schizophrenic to me....

[Dracon II]

And has anyone spotted the irony of calling the Chinese National TV channel "CCTV"... which in the west stands for "Closed Circuit TV" which is used for surveillance?

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Agathon
Not to quibble, but the Chinese have a good case about Japanese behaviour during WW2, as do the Koreans and many other locals.

Except this has next to nothing to do with the protests and instead this is just a cynical attempt by the CCP to redirect the rising public anger over corruption & cronyism in the government towards a foreign target. China and North Korea have very long histories of trying to drag up six to eight decade old history with Japan in order to distract their population away from problems at home.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Dracon II
A marginal question on the subject: was Manchuguo like Vichy France? To what extent did the Emperor's puppet Government collaborate with the Japanese? I know some pretty nasty stuff with chemical weapons and what not went on there.

The Manchurians were a totally Japanese owned political entity while Vichy retained some independence. Manchuria did have a large portion of Chinese industry and fossil fuels so it was very useful for the Japanese plus the Manchurians, like Korea, supplied men for the Japanese army.

[Dracon II]

Except this has next to nothing to do with the protests and instead this is just a cynical attempt by the CCP to redirect the rising public anger over corruption & cronyism in the government towards a foreign target. China and North Korea have very long histories of trying to drag up six to eight decade old history with Japan in order to distract their population away from problems at home.

Patriotism is the opiate of the masses.

[Seeker]

"except for the heavy banging of construction work"

welcome to the New Asia

I think this will seriously backfire on the central authority in china one of these days. Creating a 'mass movement' based on nationalism, riots, etc is playing with fire, especially in china.

One of these days there is going to be a major banking crisis in china and people will just be fed up with the government.

When the number of disgruntled in the PLA equals roughly the general population, there will be chaos.

[Q Classic]

And they had 50 odd years to do it. Perhaps if they spent that time seeking reparations and trying to better the relationship between the two countries rather than reenacting the atrocities committed against them on eachother, they wouldn't need to be crying about it now. The point of these protests is entirely political.

SKorea's government has officially done the reparations thing in the 60's/70's with PARK Chung-hee's drive towards modernization. Tech/financial aid from Japan, etc.

That doesn't stop political rhetoric and public opinion, however: it's not that different from the current thing in vogue around American politics, that of the homosexual/liberal/terrorist/evil un-American-anti-Christian-non-Republican agenda.

And most of those Korean troops in the Japanese Army weren't exactly volunteers.