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    Is there a thread on this yet? This is a big deal for the Western Hemisphere, but I didn't here anything about it in the mainstream news. This guy was probably going to win.



    Lopez Obrador is taken out of 2006 Mexican presidential race

    Lopez Obrador is taken out of 2006 Mexican presidential race

    10:39 2005-04-08
    Congress stripped Mexico City's leftist mayor of his immunity from prosecution Thursday, clearing the way for his arrest in a vote that could also block him from running in the 2006 presidential race, which he leads in the polls.
    The House vote against Mexico City Mayor Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador which came on the same day he declared his presidential candidacy could force him to stand trial on charges of ignoring a court order to stop construction of a road on contested private land.
    If a judge approves federal prosecutors' request for Lopez Obrador's arrest, the mayor will be removed from office to stand trial. People facing criminal charges are barred from running for office under most interpretations of Mexican law. But if the court dismisses the case, Lopez Obrador would remain mayor and run for president.
    Earlier in the day, the populist mayor told a rally of over 100,000 supporters in the capital's central plaza that he would turn himself in, go to jail, refuse to accept bail and later act as his own attorney in court, reports ABC News.
    According to the New York Times, hundreds of thousands of people were gathered in Mexico City's central square throughout the day to protest the action, a rare proceeding known in Mexico as a "desafuero," in which Mayor AndrÈs Manuel LÑpez Obrador was stripped of his official immunity so he could stand trial in a minor land dispute.
    In terms of political rights, the Mexican Constitution holds suspects guilty until proved innocent, so Mr. Lopez will be banned from politics until the end of a trial.
    Legislators in the 500-member Chamber of Deputies began debating the charges about 10 a.m. in a scathing session that continued uninterrupted until the evening, when the vote was held. Of the 489 who attended the session, 360 favored lifting the immunity, 127 were opposed and there were 2 abstentions.
    Political analysts said that the proceedings were a critical test in this country's transition to a full-fledged democracy that began just five years ago when Mexicans broke seven decades of single-party rule with the peaceful election of Vicente Fox, the first president to come from an opposition party.
    The protests, which had largely ended by late Thursday, brought comparisons to the recent pro-democracy demonstrations in the Ukraine that helped lift Viktor A. Yuschenko to power. But while Mr. Lopez said support for him would grow, his adversaries seemed confident the protests would die out soon.
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  • #2
    he still might
    A true ally stabs you in the front.

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    • #3
      is this good or bad?
      Blah

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      • #4
        Depends for who.
        Ich bin der Zorn Gottes. Wer sonst ist mit mir?

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        • #5
          He's not out yet. Depends on how quickly the trial takes place and whether or not he is convicted. Still, it was a clever move by Fox.

          As to the case itself, it's entirely without merit. Doesn't mean he won't get convicted by politically corrupt judges.
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          • #6
            It's my understanding that they could wait until after the elections to try him.
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            • #7
              If they're smart, they will, cuz that will keep him from running.
              Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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              • #8
                Dirty tricks against the Left:

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                • #9
                  Basically, the city was trying to build a road on private property. They were ordered to stop, but didn't for several months. It is unclear whether or not Obrador even knew of the problem, but given the size and mess that is the Districto Federal, it is unlikely.

                  The ownership of the land was contested and the Court wanted a halt on building until ownership could be determined. That's not unreasonable, but the Mexico City government is a bureaucracy inspired by the movie Brazil, so who knows who was in charge.

                  In addition, there are many hostile holdovers from when the city was under the control of the PRI, and they haven't been exactly obedient to the new government.
                  Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                  • #10
                    He definitely knew about it, but decided to go ahead with the project regardless. "AMLO" as we call him has a history of disregard for the law and he has frequently used his popularity to step over the law when he sees fit. In short, if he doesn't think the law helps, he ignores it.

                    So now he's taking a bit of his own medicine.

                    Legally he could avoid jailtime and could have prevent this alltoghether, but he didn't for the simple reason he wants to boost his popularity even more by becoming a political martyr. He shot up 10% in the polls on that very day alone. He's doing everything possible to convince the country that this is one giant conspiracy by PRI-PAN and he's right, it is. PRI-PAN talk about legality and institutions and talk about how this is an example but its complete bull**** as countless other acts of corruption and inefficiency go unpunished.

                    So, in short, yes, he is guilty of an illegal expropriation, yes, he legally could have avoided all these hastles, but he's chosing not to so he can get an even bigger lead in the polls. The 2006 elections will be nasty, I tell you, really nasty. What's clear to me is that we are still far from what a democracy really is when crap like this is necessary to try and knock someone out of the race and not doing it the way it's supposed to be done: by presenting a better political alternative with action, proposals and imagination.
                    A true ally stabs you in the front.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Master Zen
                      He definitely knew about it, but decided to go ahead with the project regardless. "AMLO" as we call him has a history of disregard for the law and he has frequently used his popularity to step over the law when he sees fit. In short, if he doesn't think the law helps, he ignores it.

                      So now he's taking a bit of his own medicine.

                      Legally he could avoid jailtime and could have prevent this alltoghether, but he didn't for the simple reason he wants to boost his popularity even more by becoming a political martyr. He shot up 10% in the polls on that very day alone. He's doing everything possible to convince the country that this is one giant conspiracy by PRI-PAN and he's right, it is. PRI-PAN talk about legality and institutions and talk about how this is an example but its complete bull**** as countless other acts of corruption and inefficiency go unpunished.

                      So, in short, yes, he is guilty of an illegal expropriation, yes, he legally could have avoided all these hastles, but he's chosing not to so he can get an even bigger lead in the polls. The 2006 elections will be nasty, I tell you, really nasty. What's clear to me is that we are still far from what a democracy really is when crap like this is necessary to try and knock someone out of the race and not doing it the way it's supposed to be done: by presenting a better political alternative with action, proposals and imagination.
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                      He's got the Midas touch.
                      But he touched it too much!
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                      • #12
                        The PRI and their allies in PAN win. Lopez Obrador was the leading non-PRI candidate to follow Fox as President. Still, I don't think he was Presidential material because he didso frequently over look the rules when it suited him. He created a kind of circus complete with exotic animals in Mexico City's main square and when a lynch mob murder a suspected theif Obrador said that was a traditional expression of Mexican village justice which shouldn't be fought against.

                        Civilized countries decide guilt or innocences in courts not by lynch mobs and Lopez Obrador shouldn't have played popular politics with such a fundimental issue. Then there's the case of follow court orders concerning the construction of a road; I'm not sure of the particulars but I am sure that every democracy is based upon the rule of law so Lopez Obrador should have listened to the court and followed the legal process.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Oerdin
                          The PRI and their allies in PAN win. Lopez Obrador was the leading non-PRI candidate to follow Fox as President. Still, I don't think he was Presidential material because he didso frequently over look the rules when it suited him. He created a kind of circus complete with exotic animals in Mexico City's main square and when a lynch mob murder a suspected theif Obrador said that was a traditional expression of Mexican village justice which shouldn't be fought against.

                          Civilized countries decide guilt or innocences in courts not by lynch mobs and Lopez Obrador shouldn't have played popular politics with such a fundimental issue. Then there's the case of follow court orders concerning the construction of a road; I'm not sure of the particulars but I am sure that every democracy is based upon the rule of law so Lopez Obrador should have listened to the court and followed the legal process.
                          Since when is Mexico a civilized country.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Kidicious


                            Since when is Mexico a civilized country.
                            Since the time Americans had brains.
                            A true ally stabs you in the front.

                            Secretary General of the U.N. & IV Emperor of the Glory of War PTWDG | VIII Consul of Apolyton PTW ISDG | GoWman in Stormia CIVDG | Lurker Troll Extraordinaire C3C ISDG Final | V Gran Huevote Team Latin Lover | Webmaster Master Zen Online | CivELO (3°)

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                            • #15
                              Don't sell yourself so short.
                              Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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