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  • #46
    I'd introduce it at $250, if I were M$. I'd be taking a bath on the first several million units, but I would be playing for keeps in this market. I don't know how Sony or Nintendo could match that price.
    I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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    • #47
      Won't happen.

      Again, the lower pricepoint didn't do much for Nintendo (it hurt them IMO), and the lower pricepoint would hurt MS as well.

      The economical difference to people's pockets between $250 and $299 isn't that much, but when you do it on a scale of 3M units it adds up -- it also cements the "inferiority" complex -- BMWs cost more than Fords, PS3s cost morethan Xbox2s...?
      "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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      • #48
        Originally posted by Asher
        Won't happen.

        Again, the lower pricepoint didn't do much for Nintendo (it hurt them IMO), and the lower pricepoint would hurt MS as well.

        The economical difference to people's pockets between $250 and $299 isn't that much, but when you do it on a scale of 3M units it adds up -- it also cements the "inferiority" complex -- BMWs cost more than Fords, PS3s cost morethan Xbox2s...?
        Deloreans cost more than BMW's, Macs cost more than Wintel boxes .....
        "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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        • #49
          Originally posted by lord of the mark


          Macs cost more than Wintel boxes .....
          Proving Asher's opinion...

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          • #50
            Originally posted by lord of the mark
            Deloreans cost more than BMW's, Macs cost more than Wintel boxes .....
            The problem here is it fails on the grounds that they all don't have an "even footing" like the launch of a new console.

            PCs have more software than Macs so that's not a valid comparison (though most Mac users do believe they are buying higher quality products than PCs, even though Acer makes the PowerBooks, for example).

            And I would definitely get a Delorean over a BMW.
            "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
            Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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            • #51
              I don't understand what selling the units at a loss does for MS. If they still haven't made any money on Xbox 1, then what's the point?

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Dissident
                I don't understand what selling the units at a loss does for MS. If they still haven't made any money on Xbox 1, then what's the point?

                To avoid a Sony monopoly.

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                • #53
                  what difference does that make if they aren't making any money?

                  who cares if Sony is a monopoly on the console market?

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Dissident
                    what difference does that make if they aren't making any money?

                    who cares if Sony is a monopoly on the console market?
                    The console market is expanding into the "computer in the living room" market.

                    MS doesn't want Sony to have a monopoly on that, since that market is booming, while MS is relegated to the office.

                    The Xbox is a counter to Sony's goal.

                    If you look at some of MS' products (Media PC, set-top boxes, etc), and the directions the consoles are taking, you see some convergence.

                    The Xbox(1) was to establish a foot in the market to prevent Sony's monopoly (because it was obvious they would crush Nintendo).
                    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                    Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Dissident
                      I don't understand what selling the units at a loss does for MS. If they still haven't made any money on Xbox 1, then what's the point?
                      Market share and they're likely hoping to make money on royalties from software makers and online game time which people will pay for. It's like Ford selling their Model T at a loss so they could make money selling parts. It actually works.
                      Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                      • #56
                        I believe Nintendo is number two on the world market with Sony being number one. Unless you include handhelds, which would be enough alone to make Nintendo numero uno. So X-Box did not "crush" Nintendo. X-Box failed horribly in Japan (Which is a bigger market for Nintendo than PS, IIRC), and I'm pretty sure it was similar, but not as bad, in Europe. Gamecube comparatively did much better in America than X-Box did in Japan.

                        I do like the X-Box (but not Halo 1/2, they pale compared the top computer shooters, and the Time Splitters series).
                        I changed my signature

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Gamecube64
                          I believe Nintendo is number two on the world market with Sony being number one. Unless you include handhelds, which would be enough alone to make Nintendo numero uno. So X-Box did not "crush" Nintendo. X-Box failed horribly in Japan (Which is a bigger market for Nintendo than PS, IIRC), and I'm pretty sure it was similar, but not as bad, in Europe. Gamecube comparatively did much better in America than X-Box did in Japan.

                          I do like the X-Box (but not Halo 1/2, they pale compared the top computer shooters, and the Time Splitters series).

                          I'm pretty sure Xbox is now number two.

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                          • #58
                            Gamecube holds a 36% market share, I don't remember but sony can't be below 40%.
                            I changed my signature

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                            • #59
                              Back in '03 Xbox had 27%.

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                              • #60
                                I know many people who have multiple consols..

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